Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:21 am

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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby MustBeQuantum » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:09 am

Thanks for the update on the University.

Town vs gown controversies are eternal. As we know, the students, although a vital and major part of the local economy, are not "permanent" residents and would have little, if any, input into political decisions.

Interesting article.
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby RoseMontague » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:53 am

I thought it was interesting as well. Many of the books on the case have talked about the drug problems and the party atmosphere of the university. There is most likely another side to this story. Funding of scholarships seems to be the biggest issue.
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby geebee2 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:19 am

I think it would be unfair for the perception of Perugia to be changed by the case.

It would be re-assuring to know that Perugians have learnt some lessons from the mis-handling of the case, that will hopefully come about.

But in fact I am sure that notwithstanding the problems of a corrupt police force, Perugia is still a safe place for young people to study, and such international exchanges are to be encouraged.

Recently on a family ski holiday, I travelled by air from Birmingham airport to Grenoble. While we were waiting for the flight, which was delayed by a couple of hours, we met a 15 year old French girl who was studying at an International school in Culham near Abingdon, which coincidentally was where my father practised as a GP many years ago, and I grew up. She was travelling home for Christmas.

I was struck by her excellent English (she chatted to my wife all the way to Grenoble), her maturity (initially I thought she was perhaps 20 years old) and her decision to study alone in a foreign country at such a young age. I think few children from the UK would be able or wish to take such a bold step at that age. Most impressive.
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:27 am

This time an article of Giuseppe Castellini´s giornale dell Umbria again about the decrease of Perugia´s university (almost two times bigger than the average drop of comparable universities). At least once il "caso Perugia" (look! Not il "caso Meredith" anymore?) is mentioned:
http://www.giornaledellumbria.it/articl ... -deleteria
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Thu May 16, 2013 11:49 am

They cannot get rid of their "reputation":
http://www.perugiatoday.it/cronaca/furt ... abbia.html
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Billy_Ray » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:07 am

european neighbour wrote:No sympathy:
http://www.umbria24.it/universita-di-pe ... 37260.html


Let them rot.
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Grayhawker » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:54 am

european neighbour wrote:No sympathy:
http://www.umbria24.it/universita-di-pe ... 37260.html


Well, "DUH"!!!!!!

Corrupt police, rampant crime, city officials that refuse to acknowledge their personal responsibilities for the decline.

Who is surprised?!
Paolo Micheli stated with regard to Amanda and Raffaele: "We do not need evidence, common sense and logic tell us that they dated each other to commit this crime."
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:27 am

La vicenda Meredith! Ecco! Wake up Perugia!
http://www.lanazione.it/umbria/economia ... itti.shtml
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Billy_Ray » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:56 am

european neighbour wrote:La vicenda Meredith! Ecco! Wake up Perugia!
http://www.lanazione.it/umbria/economia ... itti.shtml


They will never solve these problems because they refuse to recognise that their wrongful prosecution and imprisonment of an American is likely what's causing foreigners not to want to go to the University for Foreigners.

Instead in their minds all this is Amanda's fault.
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:23 am

Interesting history: Perugia as THE university town of Italian fascism (Università per Stranieri was founded during fascist era):
http://www.umbrialeft.it/notizie/porta- ... l-fascismo
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:48 pm

Perugia's wealth significantly depends on the number of students:
http://www.giornaledellumbria.it/blog/p ... -taroccata
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Thu May 22, 2014 9:04 am

No, they can't get rid of their reputation:
http://www.perugiatoday.it/politica/ele ... denti.html
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Grayhawker » Thu May 22, 2014 9:25 am

I wonder if they associate any drop in enrollment to the negative publicity the city has received from Raffaele's and Amanda's trials?
Paolo Micheli stated with regard to Amanda and Raffaele: "We do not need evidence, common sense and logic tell us that they dated each other to commit this crime."
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:18 am

There also are other reasons why Raffaele is just finishing his studies in Verona:
http://www.giornaledellumbria.it/blog/a ... ediocritas
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:03 am

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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:00 am

What a pity, even Chinese students don´t appreciate La Straniera anymore:
http://www.giornaledellumbria.it/articl ... 92684.html
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Grayhawker » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:59 pm

european neighbour wrote:Without students no business:
http://www.lanazione.it/umbria/pizzeria ... de-1.76925

"BEWARE - explains Peter - we lived here thanks to the students, now virtually disappeared. I in four years I have lost about 70% of the proceeds. What should I do, in your opinion?"

"BEFORE' La Lanterna ', then' Old Perusia ', now it's up to me - Peter continues - not to mention the blacked out windows all along the way. And to think that ten years ago, maybe even less, this was a street full of people. Now there are only a few brave...


The curse continues. When will they realize how the world perceives them? Maybe even their own countrymen?

Who wants to risk it with Mignini still in power?!
Paolo Micheli stated with regard to Amanda and Raffaele: "We do not need evidence, common sense and logic tell us that they dated each other to commit this crime."
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:31 am

Landlords needing students for their empty rooms:
http://www.giornaledellumbria.it/articl ... 01163.html
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:53 am

Stranieri: Corsi di italiano, da 4.800 iscritti nel 2008-2009 ai 2.700 circa di oggi:
http://www.umbria24.it/stranieri-il-ret ... 33044.html
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Grayhawker » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:36 pm

european neighbour wrote:Stranieri: Corsi di italiano, da 4.800 iscritti nel 2008-2009 ai 2.700 circa di oggi:
http://www.umbria24.it/stranieri-il-ret ... 33044.html


So Chinese students sign up to attend language school at a different university then the Foreigners College in Perugia, where they ended up?!
Paolo Micheli stated with regard to Amanda and Raffaele: "We do not need evidence, common sense and logic tell us that they dated each other to commit this crime."
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:16 am

Mafia capitale? No,no! Isola felice? Certo!
http://www.umbria24.it/ndrangheta-in-di ... 39142.html
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:05 am

Two "addresses" of la Knox, Stranieri e Capanne: Oh yeah, let's rely on prisoners:
http://www.umbrialeft.it/notizie/perugi ... itenziaria
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:22 am

Less students means decrease of the rents, attractive rooms available:
http://www.perugiatoday.it/economia/aff ... rezzi.html
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Grayhawker » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:21 am

The "curse of Amanda" continues to take it's toll on Perugia.

The police and investigators involved have taken hits (except for Magnini). Now the economy in Perugia is collapsing.
Paolo Micheli stated with regard to Amanda and Raffaele: "We do not need evidence, common sense and logic tell us that they dated each other to commit this crime."
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:05 pm

Young Umbrians emigrate to Australia:
http://www.giornaledellumbria.it/articl ... 19987.html
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Flipp » Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:05 pm

The students of Perugia's Stranieri University are being victims of a wave of burglaries, in some cases the burglars reacted violently when surprised by the residents. Currently most of the foreign students in Perugia come from China under exchange programs in cooperation with other Italian universities. The Chinese authorities already warned that if nothing is done, next semester the students will be moved to other Italian cities due to the insecurity problem in Perugia. The Stranieri's General Director is very concerned.

http://www.umbria24.it/perugia-il-grido-della-stranieri-basta-furti-e-aggressioni-ai-danni-dei-nostri-studenti/343559.html
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Grayhawker » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:54 am

As I observed in another thread, it is important to realize that there were no burglaries!

The students staged all of this. They were covering up their illicit activities, such as - studying, going to classes, eating a pizza, attending concerts and chocolate festivals, and having boy- and girl-friends!

Arrest them before they commit murder for sex!!!!
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:26 am

Flipp wrote:The students of Perugia's Stranieri University are being victims of a wave of burglaries, in some cases the burglars reacted violently when surprised by the residents. Currently most of the foreign students in Perugia come from China under exchange programs in cooperation with other Italian universities. The Chinese authorities already warned that if nothing is done, next semester the students will be moved to other Italian cities due to the insecurity problem in Perugia. The Stranieri's General Director is very concerned.

http://www.umbria24.it/perugia-il-grido-della-stranieri-basta-furti-e-aggressioni-ai-danni-dei-nostri-studenti/343559.html

"Chinese Connection II":
http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Heard-Chi ... manda+knox

Maybe they still can rely on young Arabs if they aren't just engaged in any IS quarrels, unless there will be a WTBH release in Arabic language too.
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:36 am

Regardless if right wing (Fratelli d'Italia) or umbria"left", they are in agreement: "Quindi solidarietà, certo, ai magistrati, che comunque nessuno si è sognato di chiamare in causa,..."
http://www.umbrialeft.it/notizie/meredi ... into-tonto
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:15 pm

At least this guy begins to grasp it's not just a "fatto tra stranieri":
http://www.umbrialeft.it/opinioni/delit ... ione-persa
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:24 am

Is the decline of "la Straniera" only the fault of the current Minister of Education and the former rector?
http://www.perugiatoday.it/cronaca/mini ... nieri.html
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:58 am

About the "Meredith" scholarship at "la Straniera":
http://www.umbrialeft.it/notizie/assegn ... th-kercher
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:29 pm

Perugia lost 30 positions in a ranking of the Italian provinces:
http://www.umbrialeft.it/notizie/qualit ... i-non-ride
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby erasmus44 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:13 pm

I'm going to Perugia in October - I'll check it out and maybe stop by and offer Mignini an opportunity to wax my car for 5 bucks.
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:09 am

How Perugians see the impact of the case:
http://www.vice.com/it/read/cosa-pensan ... ox-netflix
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Annella » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:54 am

european neighbour wrote:How Perugians see the impact of the case:
http://www.vice.com/it/read/cosa-pensan ... ox-netflix


Upon reading the link I found that people were expressing exactly what I thought they would. I only lived in Italy for 10 years but it was long enough to understand that Italians have a mentality that matches their glorious and yet not so glorious history.
Having been born and bred in a 'new country' ( New Zealand) we are not constrained with old traditions, long held and continuously perpetuated myths, religious fervor, and superstition. Neither are most inhabitants of Seattle!

Without going into too much detail, after all those years there I was always ' la straniera' the foreigner. I would visit the local store as I did every day and knew I was being observed from higher windows ( curtains being pulled aside kinda gave it away ) I was told I would get pneumonia wearing my flipflops 2 metres across road from my front door to the store when there was a little snow on the ground. I could not have ice in my drinks...ever, l'aria corrente ( a draft/draught of air via windows doors opposite and open at same time) was dangerous etc etc. When gypsies visited you HAD to buy something from them or suffer the consequences. You get the drift here? Everything I did was noticed and noted. Despite all of this, every single person in my village was friendly and courteous. I love Italy, love most of the people :winks: and my Italian family are precious to me.

The people commenting in that article are protecting themselves, their city and their prosecutor. Truth be damned! I understand what they are doing and reasons for it. Same reason so many will buy their Doctor, Lawyer, Mayor etc a huge gift at Christmas. In my area it was usually a food basket. Wine, cheese, salami, panettone etc. Just because they were ' important' and their services may be needed in the coming year. A kind of insurance if you will.

No bad word against the proceedings in Perugia, keeps your 'insurance' intact.
'The Italian concept of judicial truth does not trouble itself with reality; it controls the narrative by controlling the past"
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby european neighbour » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:32 am

european neighbour wrote:How Perugians see the impact of the case:
http://www.vice.com/it/read/cosa-pensan ... ox-netflix

Leon Benz made a transalation:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/what-do- ... entary-876
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Panharith » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:17 am

Perhaps Sarah Scazzi will be fortunate enough to be assigned a Judge who can see through what is happening in her case.




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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby erasmus44 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:37 am




Translation with Cliffs Notes please!
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Re: Affaritaliani: Le università a rischio chiusura

Postby Hans » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:35 pm

He [Raffaele] is collateral damage in the unreasonable, irresponsible, and unrelenting scapegoating of the prosecution’s grotesque caricature that is “Foxy Knoxy”
~ Amanda Knox
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