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Postby roteoctober » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:14 pm

Bill Williams wrote:What is Ergon talking about? I have never been to Vashon Island and was not at the event he refers to. I am not in that picture.... obviously.


There is a witness who was sitting on a bench in a park at Vashon Island and who saw you loitering around with a young girl for hours.

Instead of buses there were ferries ...
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:53 pm

roteoctober wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:What is Ergon talking about? I have never been to Vashon Island and was not at the event he refers to. I am not in that picture.... obviously.


There is a witness who was sitting on a bench in a park at Vashon Island and who saw you loitering around with a young girl for hours.

Instead of buses there were ferries ...

Was this before or after cannabis was legalized in Washington State. Was this witness named Curatolo? Yeah, like you can take his testimony to the bank! I've read some of the biographies Ergon has put together about people/events, and sincerely wonder if Toronto has slipped in cannabis under the radar!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Leone » Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:52 am

Bill Williams wrote:
roteoctober wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:What is Ergon talking about? I have never been to Vashon Island and was not at the event he refers to. I am not in that picture.... obviously.


There is a witness who was sitting on a bench in a park at Vashon Island and who saw you loitering around with a young girl for hours.

Instead of buses there were ferries ...

Was this before or after cannabis was legalized in Washington State. Was this witness named Curatolo? Yeah, like you can take his testimony to the bank! I've read some of the biographies Ergon has put together about people/events, and sincerely wonder if Toronto has slipped in cannabis under the radar!


Stop giving cannabis a bad name! :MJ: :winks:
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:10 am

Leone wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
roteoctober wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:What is Ergon talking about? I have never been to Vashon Island and was not at the event he refers to. I am not in that picture.... obviously.


There is a witness who was sitting on a bench in a park at Vashon Island and who saw you loitering around with a young girl for hours.

Instead of buses there were ferries ...

Was this before or after cannabis was legalized in Washington State. Was this witness named Curatolo? Yeah, like you can take his testimony to the bank! I've read some of the biographies Ergon has put together about people/events, and sincerely wonder if Toronto has slipped in cannabis under the radar!


Stop giving cannabis a bad name! :MJ: :winks:

If I'm following things correctly, Ergon now has a second, woman's foottrack on the bathmat. Yessirree Bob, a second foottrack, other than the partial, bare male foottrack.

Like I said, I've read some of Ergon's attempts at putting to a timeline people's North American movements and can only sit in awe at his ability to fantasize. Fortunately, he's probably the last poster to .NUT anyway. Which ultimately is a criticism of those who would give him any print at all, including me.

Yet he makes mouth-dropping claims. Which is my way of saying that it is not me giving cannabis a bad name.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby MichaelB » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:46 am

Well HarryRag is still as :batshit crazy:: as ever. It was all a huge conspiracy..... :popcorn:

You've plucked the failure rate of .0004% out of thin air and not provided any evidence to support your claim. I can only comment on the one case in Italy that I've followed - the Meredith Kercher case - and I'm appalled at the blatant corruption in this case that has been evident since 2010. I'm not talking about a couple of rogue judges who have taken backhanders. The decision to remove Judge Sergio Matteini Chiari, an experienced trial judge, and replace him with Hellmann, an inexperienced trial judge, must have been made by the Italian Ministry of Justice. Hellmann was expressly chosen by people in high places to preside over the appeal because he was going to acquit Knox and Sollecito. He didn't care how many times he violated the Italian Criminal Procedure Code in order to acquit them.

Andrea Vogt flagged her concern about the decision to remove Judge Matteini Chiari and replace him with Hellmann in this article:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/ ... 777351.php

Hellmann appointed Conti and Vecchiotti and they were also blatantly corrupt. They socialised with Sollecito's family inside and outside the courtroom and repeatedly misled the court. Andrea Vogt was the only journalist who highlighted their reprehensible conduct:

"Over the course of approximately 50 pages of his 337 reasoning report, Nencini does a thorough analysis of all the court evidence, lab data and depositions by all the forensic consultants, and essentially debunks Vecchiotti and Conti’s report. He reveals that the two experts overlooked available data, altered the meaning of forensic police statements to fit their thesis, erred in their interpretation methods and falsely claimed the technology didn’t exist to test a small trace of DNA that was later successfully tested. If you are not interested in forensic minutiae, you can stop reading now."

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featu ... -appeal-2/

The Supreme Court judges who acquitted Knox and Sollecito in March have contradicted numerous experienced judges: Judge Massei, Judge Nencini and three different panels of judges at the Supreme Court. Their verdict is completely nonsensical and illogical. Many people have been convicted of murder on far less evidence e.g. Robin Garbutt and Levi Bellfied and nobody batted an eyelid.

I believe the US Department of State interfered with the case. Andrea Vogt pointed out that she hadn't received 11 documents that she requested:

"As the State Department letter points out, there are still 11 documents that fall under the umbrella of my initial FOIA request that have not been released that require further coordination. Based on the content of my 2012 request, I believe these may be documents relating to then Sen. John Kerry and the U.S. Committee on Foreign Relations, of which he was chairman from 2009-2013, and to which specific FOIA requests were made, and for which I have not yet received response."

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featu ... -appeal-2/

If the US Department of State had nothing to hide and everything was above board, it would have released these 11 documents. Some of these documents were redacted - redacted documents are censored documents.

I think it's telling that a US official thanked the Italian legal system for acquitting Amanda Knox in the media. Why didn't any US officials thank the Italian legal system for convicting her in 2009? Surely any decent and principled person wants justice to be served regardless of the nationality of the defendant. US officials are not obliged to blindly support American citizens convicted of crimes just because they were committed in a foreign country.
The stupid things Ergon says - THE BEST OF NASEER AHMAD: "Curatolo's testimony is one of the bedrock foundations of my beliefs in this case."
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Annella » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:29 am

MichaelB wrote:Well HarryRag is still as :batshit crazy:: as ever. It was all a huge conspiracy..... :popcorn:

You've plucked the failure rate of .0004% out of thin air and not provided any evidence to support your claim. I can only comment on the one case in Italy that I've followed - the Meredith Kercher case - and I'm appalled at the blatant corruption in this case that has been evident since 2010. I'm not talking about a couple of rogue judges who have taken backhanders. The decision to remove Judge Sergio Matteini Chiari, an experienced trial judge, and replace him with Hellmann, an inexperienced trial judge, must have been made by the Italian Ministry of Justice. Hellmann was expressly chosen by people in high places to preside over the appeal because he was going to acquit Knox and Sollecito. He didn't care how many times he violated the Italian Criminal Procedure Code in order to acquit them.

Andrea Vogt flagged her concern about the decision to remove Judge Matteini Chiari and replace him with Hellmann in this article:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/ ... 777351.php

Hellmann appointed Conti and Vecchiotti and they were also blatantly corrupt. They socialised with Sollecito's family inside and outside the courtroom and repeatedly misled the court. Andrea Vogt was the only journalist who highlighted their reprehensible conduct:

"Over the course of approximately 50 pages of his 337 reasoning report, Nencini does a thorough analysis of all the court evidence, lab data and depositions by all the forensic consultants, and essentially debunks Vecchiotti and Conti’s report. He reveals that the two experts overlooked available data, altered the meaning of forensic police statements to fit their thesis, erred in their interpretation methods and falsely claimed the technology didn’t exist to test a small trace of DNA that was later successfully tested. If you are not interested in forensic minutiae, you can stop reading now."

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featu ... -appeal-2/

The Supreme Court judges who acquitted Knox and Sollecito in March have contradicted numerous experienced judges: Judge Massei, Judge Nencini and three different panels of judges at the Supreme Court. Their verdict is completely nonsensical and illogical. Many people have been convicted of murder on far less evidence e.g. Robin Garbutt and Levi Bellfied and nobody batted an eyelid.

I believe the US Department of State interfered with the case. Andrea Vogt pointed out that she hadn't received 11 documents that she requested:

"As the State Department letter points out, there are still 11 documents that fall under the umbrella of my initial FOIA request that have not been released that require further coordination. Based on the content of my 2012 request, I believe these may be documents relating to then Sen. John Kerry and the U.S. Committee on Foreign Relations, of which he was chairman from 2009-2013, and to which specific FOIA requests were made, and for which I have not yet received response."

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featu ... -appeal-2/

If the US Department of State had nothing to hide and everything was above board, it would have released these 11 documents. Some of these documents were redacted - redacted documents are censored documents.

I think it's telling that a US official thanked the Italian legal system for acquitting Amanda Knox in the media. Why didn't any US officials thank the Italian legal system for convicting her in 2009? Surely any decent and principled person wants justice to be served regardless of the nationality of the defendant. US officials are not obliged to blindly support American citizens convicted of crimes just because they were committed in a foreign country.


And if anybody is up for it...go check out Petes place and his latest wee rant. :D The replies are hysterical!! Use the cached version to go peek. :winks:
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:08 am

MichaelB wrote:Well HarryRag is still as :batshit crazy:: as ever. It was all a huge conspiracy..... :popcorn:

You've plucked the failure rate of .0004% out of thin air and not provided any evidence to support your claim. I can only comment on the one case in Italy that I've followed - the Meredith Kercher case - and I'm appalled at the blatant corruption in this case that has been evident since 2010. I'm not talking about a couple of rogue judges who have taken backhanders. The decision to remove Judge Sergio Matteini Chiari, an experienced trial judge, and replace him with Hellmann, an inexperienced trial judge, must have been made by the Italian Ministry of Justice. Hellmann was expressly chosen by people in high places to preside over the appeal because he was going to acquit Knox and Sollecito. He didn't care how many times he violated the Italian Criminal Procedure Code in order to acquit them.

Andrea Vogt flagged her concern about the decision to remove Judge Matteini Chiari and replace him with Hellmann in this article:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/ ... 777351.php

Hellmann appointed Conti and Vecchiotti and they were also blatantly corrupt. They socialised with Sollecito's family inside and outside the courtroom and repeatedly misled the court. Andrea Vogt was the only journalist who highlighted their reprehensible conduct:

"Over the course of approximately 50 pages of his 337 reasoning report, Nencini does a thorough analysis of all the court evidence, lab data and depositions by all the forensic consultants, and essentially debunks Vecchiotti and Conti’s report. He reveals that the two experts overlooked available data, altered the meaning of forensic police statements to fit their thesis, erred in their interpretation methods and falsely claimed the technology didn’t exist to test a small trace of DNA that was later successfully tested. If you are not interested in forensic minutiae, you can stop reading now."

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featu ... -appeal-2/

The Supreme Court judges who acquitted Knox and Sollecito in March have contradicted numerous experienced judges: Judge Massei, Judge Nencini and three different panels of judges at the Supreme Court. Their verdict is completely nonsensical and illogical. Many people have been convicted of murder on far less evidence e.g. Robin Garbutt and Levi Bellfied and nobody batted an eyelid.

I believe the US Department of State interfered with the case. Andrea Vogt pointed out that she hadn't received 11 documents that she requested:

"As the State Department letter points out, there are still 11 documents that fall under the umbrella of my initial FOIA request that have not been released that require further coordination. Based on the content of my 2012 request, I believe these may be documents relating to then Sen. John Kerry and the U.S. Committee on Foreign Relations, of which he was chairman from 2009-2013, and to which specific FOIA requests were made, and for which I have not yet received response."

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featu ... -appeal-2/

If the US Department of State had nothing to hide and everything was above board, it would have released these 11 documents. Some of these documents were redacted - redacted documents are censored documents.

I think it's telling that a US official thanked the Italian legal system for acquitting Amanda Knox in the media. Why didn't any US officials thank the Italian legal system for convicting her in 2009? Surely any decent and principled person wants justice to be served regardless of the nationality of the defendant. US officials are not obliged to blindly support American citizens convicted of crimes just because they were committed in a foreign country.

All of this references back to Giuliano Mignini, because Andrea Vogt does not take a step, or print a word, unless she has this from him. Both Harry Rag and Andrea Vogt are claiming , really, that there shouldn't have been trials - that it all should have been left up to Mignini who occasionally could visit Knox in her cell as she aged. Mignini really was only doing this for her, to purge her soul of her wickedness.

Note how Harry Rag has the all powerful conspiracy directed from Rome - yet appeals to all those other courts and judges who came to the right judgement! Can't be both Harry, can't be both! id the Masons in Rome simply forget to pay off a few? Also he appeals to Hellmann's inexperience.... I'd have thought that the conspiracy in Rome would have appointed an experienced judge to avoid criticism and guarantee that the fix would be done right! Can't be both Harry, can't be both!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Leone » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:40 am

Bill Williams wrote:
MichaelB wrote:Well HarryRag is still as :batshit crazy:: as ever. It was all a huge conspiracy..... :popcorn:

You've plucked the failure rate of .0004% out of thin air and not provided any evidence to support your claim. I can only comment on the one case in Italy that I've followed - the Meredith Kercher case - and I'm appalled at the blatant corruption in this case that has been evident since 2010. I'm not talking about a couple of rogue judges who have taken backhanders. The decision to remove Judge Sergio Matteini Chiari, an experienced trial judge, and replace him with Hellmann, an inexperienced trial judge, must have been made by the Italian Ministry of Justice. Hellmann was expressly chosen by people in high places to preside over the appeal because he was going to acquit Knox and Sollecito. He didn't care how many times he violated the Italian Criminal Procedure Code in order to acquit them.

Andrea Vogt flagged her concern about the decision to remove Judge Matteini Chiari and replace him with Hellmann in this article:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/ ... 777351.php

Hellmann appointed Conti and Vecchiotti and they were also blatantly corrupt. They socialised with Sollecito's family inside and outside the courtroom and repeatedly misled the court. Andrea Vogt was the only journalist who highlighted their reprehensible conduct:

"Over the course of approximately 50 pages of his 337 reasoning report, Nencini does a thorough analysis of all the court evidence, lab data and depositions by all the forensic consultants, and essentially debunks Vecchiotti and Conti’s report. He reveals that the two experts overlooked available data, altered the meaning of forensic police statements to fit their thesis, erred in their interpretation methods and falsely claimed the technology didn’t exist to test a small trace of DNA that was later successfully tested. If you are not interested in forensic minutiae, you can stop reading now."

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featu ... -appeal-2/

The Supreme Court judges who acquitted Knox and Sollecito in March have contradicted numerous experienced judges: Judge Massei, Judge Nencini and three different panels of judges at the Supreme Court. Their verdict is completely nonsensical and illogical. Many people have been convicted of murder on far less evidence e.g. Robin Garbutt and Levi Bellfied and nobody batted an eyelid.

I believe the US Department of State interfered with the case. Andrea Vogt pointed out that she hadn't received 11 documents that she requested:

"As the State Department letter points out, there are still 11 documents that fall under the umbrella of my initial FOIA request that have not been released that require further coordination. Based on the content of my 2012 request, I believe these may be documents relating to then Sen. John Kerry and the U.S. Committee on Foreign Relations, of which he was chairman from 2009-2013, and to which specific FOIA requests were made, and for which I have not yet received response."

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featu ... -appeal-2/

If the US Department of State had nothing to hide and everything was above board, it would have released these 11 documents. Some of these documents were redacted - redacted documents are censored documents.

I think it's telling that a US official thanked the Italian legal system for acquitting Amanda Knox in the media. Why didn't any US officials thank the Italian legal system for convicting her in 2009? Surely any decent and principled person wants justice to be served regardless of the nationality of the defendant. US officials are not obliged to blindly support American citizens convicted of crimes just because they were committed in a foreign country.

All of this references back to Giuliano Mignini, because Andrea Vogt does not take a step, or print a word, unless she has this from him. Both Harry Rag and Andrea Vogt are claiming , really, that there shouldn't have been trials - that it all should have been left up to Mignini who occasionally could visit Knox in her cell as she aged. Mignini really was only doing this for her, to purge her soul of her wickedness.

Note how Harry Rag has the all powerful conspiracy directed from Rome - yet appeals to all those other courts and judges who came to the right judgement! Can't be both Harry, can't be both! id the Masons in Rome simply forget to pay off a few? Also he appeals to Hellmann's inexperience.... I'd have thought that the conspiracy in Rome would have appointed an experienced judge to avoid criticism and guarantee that the fix would be done right! Can't be both Harry, can't be both!


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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:14 am

To everyone

Hey everyone is it me or is it Ergon has lost his soul of a new face into a movie. Yep my friend he thinks Amanda is now being Helen of Troy. Are you serious Ergon? My god the man need some help right now, and here what he have for us in stores!!!

Ergon wrote: Then there's the 1956 (American) movie Helen Of Troy starring the luminous (Italian) actress Rosanna Podesta as Helen with the lovely Brigitte Bardot (French) in one of her early roles, as Andraste, her hand maiden - obviously I was very taken by all that :)

But Amanda of Seattle? (Not even conventionally pretty in real life, sorry) Hers was the face that launched a thousand :batshit crazy::


Poor Ergon you need some help old man even let face it. Here is the movie picture of this movie!!!

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If Ergon was so smart he should really should talk about a real good movie, of nature and life style of how we beat the odds of hunting season!!!

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Now this is a movie that show entertainment and how we beat hunting season even let face it. I am against hunting season 4-life and forever and ever!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:21 pm

To everyone

As knowing I haven't been in here, for a long time, even the PMF is now going public with issue of attack on Michael B & Bruce. Yep my friend, they are proclaiming the whole issue of this even Ergon & Neil. I am keeping the track and see what coming and going!

So here what each one is saying!!!

Ergon Wrote: Except it's hyphenated, as noted previously, and nothing to indicate the original Ground Report was "acquired by Injustice Anywhere", as claimed on their website.


Nell Wrote: Bruce Fischer has now publicly denied the claim from one of his members that GroundReport was acquired by IA.


Ok I already know, even why would a troll or not a troll want to recopy and reload something to us and play along. I know what it is and it over, even why do they have to keep this up. It like if I go copy on the PMF.org from my past forum, until Poor Peggy was to afraid of me. But now this Nell person. It ok Nell you can copy us, even I will copy you in here. I am willing to play along, even doesn't it sound so odd. It like: Hey let play follow the leader of issues.

But mostly this is a case, of Amanda Knox and that is where I catch them in the act. I don't mind doing it. But why this, of just playing along!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:30 am

To everyone

Hey everyone we are going to have a special :jaw-dropping: moment, once again I am going to lose it. Well let say this, that some of the PMF member were so mad that they never saw it coming, and now I want some answer of some one or some person. So if that person love to speak right now, or hold his or her peace? Speak now!!!

Who am I talking to? Well that up to you to answer, that someone name: Want Justice just got banned from the PMF and it happen to be one of you? Who is saying this? Well first here is the list of people who are saying Want Justice!!!

Norris C., Jackie, Ergon, even maybe Jester & Nell yep all of those 5 people want some answer even Michael also want answer from the PMF. So here is the pictures of 3 of speaking to the Gods!!!

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So speak now if you where: Want Justice! We need an answer or you can hold the sign of peace to never speak to be quiet for good, and talk to you soon everyone!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Clive Wismayer » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:50 am

Jackie on the revelation that Sollecito's fingerprint was found on the door of Laura's bedroom (with my comments interspersed in bold):

So many strands to keep straight in Ol' Duder's head... I'll have to re-read Follain (but it's missing from my Kindle!) Time to read something other than Follain, which Jackie, even now, treats as a bible.

It's easy to miss or, over the course of 7 years, flat out FORGET something important. It's even easier to forget things that aren't important, like this.

I suppose we'll never get an explanation for those prints, either. Chalk up another one for the Right to Silence! (Springing bad guys near you since the 16th Century!) Seems RS was a busy boy in that cottage given that he only had access to it twice, for a short time (better measured in minutes than hours), over the course of his 5 day fling… Prints in Laura's private bedroom? DNA in Meredith's private bedroom… Gill's study does NOTHING to explain the presence of RS's fingerprints where they do not belong… Why would it? It's not concerned with fingerprints but with DNA

Did either of the "kids" address those curious prints in their (allegedly defamatory) books??? Why not read them, Jackie? Then you would know that when they returned together after breakfast on 02 Nov, after noting Filomena's broken window, they went all over the apartment to see what other damage or loss the burglar had caused.

Did L's door open outward into the hall, or inward, into the bedroom itself (such that you'd have to be really reaching in, or basically standing inside her bedroom with the door at least partially closed, to touch the inside of the door)? Why does this matter? Jackie doesn't tell us. This could be a very deep point, so deep that Mignini, Comodi and all the rest completely missed it. That would explain why they made nothing of this total non-point about Raffaele's fingerprint.


This was from dot net. Nobody over there made these obvious points to Jackie. That's the trouble with a hermetically sealed discussion forum in which only one view is allowed. Stupidity goes unchecked.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:59 pm

Clive Wismayer wrote:Jackie on the revelation that Sollecito's fingerprint was found on the door of Laura's bedroom (with my comments interspersed in bold):

So many strands to keep straight in Ol' Duder's head... I'll have to re-read Follain (but it's missing from my Kindle!) Time to read something other than Follain, which Jackie, even now, treats as a bible.

It's easy to miss or, over the course of 7 years, flat out FORGET something important. It's even easier to forget things that aren't important, like this.

I suppose we'll never get an explanation for those prints, either. Chalk up another one for the Right to Silence! (Springing bad guys near you since the 16th Century!) Seems RS was a busy boy in that cottage given that he only had access to it twice, for a short time (better measured in minutes than hours), over the course of his 5 day fling… Prints in Laura's private bedroom? DNA in Meredith's private bedroom… Gill's study does NOTHING to explain the presence of RS's fingerprints where they do not belong… Why would it? It's not concerned with fingerprints but with DNA

Did either of the "kids" address those curious prints in their (allegedly defamatory) books??? Why not read them, Jackie? Then you would know that when they returned together after breakfast on 02 Nov, after noting Filomena's broken window, they went all over the apartment to see what other damage or loss the burglar had caused.

Did L's door open outward into the hall, or inward, into the bedroom itself (such that you'd have to be really reaching in, or basically standing inside her bedroom with the door at least partially closed, to touch the inside of the door)? Why does this matter? Jackie doesn't tell us. This could be a very deep point, so deep that Mignini, Comodi and all the rest completely missed it. That would explain why they made nothing of this total non-point about Raffaele's fingerprint.


This was from dot net. Nobody over there made these obvious points to Jackie. That's the trouble with a hermetically sealed discussion forum in which only one view is allowed. Stupidity goes unchecked.


To Clive

Lol Clive, even I made a issue of a post about Ergon, Jackie and Norris C. All about talking to God, even for me, myself. But with this issue and discussion, of what you are saying is true. But the way I see Jackie is that he want to join the force with Ergon and Norris C. Will help him out. So all 3 can become joining God. I am not a fan of god, even I pray different. I pray at cementary of the graveyard and it who I am, just like BTVS of Buffy the vampire slayer. I would sleep at the grave yard or I pray for my Anne Hathaway. Yes I am crazy into anything go term.

Plus Jackie is like shhhh hush, don't tell, of not telling and hiding the secret. So that is were I see it, of him, and I made that statement of 3 dvd called: Oh God, Oh God Book 2 & Oh God you devil. But Oh God Book 2 was my favorite movie, even I did saw it inside the movie theater, for a long time ago!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Clive Wismayer » Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:23 pm

I think you'll find Ergon is God, Tom.

I saw Jackie also had a spiel about how the bra clasp DNA evidence can be rescued if one remembers that it is circumstantial evidence which must therefore be viewed in combination with 'all the other evidence'. He was so pleased with his idea that he posted it both at dot net and dot org :mrgreen: Strangely, his list of the circumstantial evidence is incomplete. There is nothing in it about the dirty gloves, the strange timing of the retrieval, the failure to collect the clasp in the first place, the presence of other profiles, Stefanoni's suppression of those profiles and of the EDFs, the absence of his DNA anywhere else, the inexplicable destruction of the clasp as evidence by improper storage, the equally or even more suspicious knife DNA evidence and many other things besides. Not only is his list incomplete (violating the rule that the totality of the evidence must be considered) but, unlike mine, it comprises a whole bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the clasp. He wants to argue that Curatolo's evidence somehow corroborates the bra clasp evidence.

Well, it's only an Internet forum with a dwindling band of the most screwy posters, and a closed one at that. He should try out that crap in a non-Italian court and see how far he gets. Jackie, it's not the case that any circumstantial evidence supports any other circumstantial evidence.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby sept79 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:40 pm

Clive Wismayer wrote:I think you'll find Ergon is God, Tom.

I saw Jackie also had a spiel about how the bra clasp DNA evidence can be rescued if one remembers that it is circumstantial evidence which must therefore be viewed in combination with 'all the other evidence'. He was so pleased with his idea that he posted it both at dot net and dot org :mrgreen: Strangely, his list of the circumstantial evidence is incomplete. There is nothing in it about the dirty gloves, the strange timing of the retrieval, the failure to collect the clasp in the first place, the presence of other profiles, Stefanoni's suppression of those profiles and of the EDFs, the absence of his DNA anywhere else, the inexplicable destruction of the clasp as evidence by improper storage, the equally or even more suspicious knife DNA evidence and many other things besides. Not only is his list incomplete (violating the rule that the totality of the evidence must be considered) but, unlike mine, it comprises a whole bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the clasp. He wants to argue that Curatolo's evidence somehow corroborates the bra clasp evidence.

Well, it's only an Internet forum with a dwindling band of the most screwy posters, and a closed one at that. He should try out that crap in a non-Italian court and see how far he gets. Jackie, it's not the case that any circumstantial evidence supports any other circumstantial evidence.



Besides the above failings, the independent study conducted by Vecchiotti and Conti threw the clasp to the proverbial curb . . .
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Re: Today over at PMF

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Hey everyone, even I haven't updated this today, and it always like when you get the feeling of that you done the dumbest thing, even you never seen it coming or will the PMF will do the dumbest thing inside their forum. I mess up big time on September 1, 2015 and it a long story and I mess up big time. So we all make mistake and it happen to all of us, and I promise soon enough of what on earth is PMF is saying today or tomorrow, and talk to you soon everyone!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:32 am

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Hey everyone, I am back again of another adventure of why poor PMF has just lose it. Well one member of the PMF did a rap music video through hate and hurt even she proclaim Amanda did it! Wow that like she has no proof of the crime scene and the worst part ever is that she never study it. So first who is the rap singer. Her name is: Misty. Yep my friend Misty want to play the rap game song of failing criminal law. What wrong with this girl who never study criminal law. She just a hurt woman!!!

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Misty if I were you, why not let heard what Amanda Knox have to say right now!!!

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Yes it was crazy even a lot of college kids do crazy stuff, even come on now, do we need to make up some stupid silly video to hate someone, even let see. Hmmmmmmm if I had a debate against one of the TJMK site, they fail so terrible that I beat them into the debate even I am tough and strong into it. I might read the novel. But that the way I go and do it, and the poor TJMK never study criminal law, and that all I have to say to you, and talk to you soon everyone!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby LondonSupporter » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:47 am

Well fewer that 2,500 people have watched it in over two months (and three of them are me) so it isn't setting the world on fire. It will now fade quietly into the obscurity it so richly deserves.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby erasmus44 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:00 pm

LondonSupporter wrote:Well fewer that 2,500 people have watched it in over two months (and three of them are me) so it isn't setting the world on fire. It will now fade quietly into the obscurity it so richly deserves.


I watched it too. This reminds me of the Communist Party in the USA in the years when the bulk of membership dues were generated by FBI informants and undercover agents attempting to infiltrate the Party. We have to give these douchebags the attention they deserve - which is..... ABSOLUTELY NONE!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby LondonJohn » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:48 pm

Just to give this thread a little nudge.....

I see that failed book reviewer Hugo has posted some nonsense about me on .net. The sad man (who appears to have a weird Walter Mitty complex and some desperate need to tell people that a) he lives in near Highgate and b) that he knows loads of famous, interesting people (or knows people who know such people)), posted that:

"After Schumi's horrible accident, London John posted a boast at the ISF that he was a much better skier than Schumi and he would never have made that mistake of skiing at speed over an invisible boulder field. Which just reminded you yet again that Knox groupies are unlovely and arrogant people who lack empathy and are attracted to similar types."

Just thought I'd point out for the record here (since obv I can't do so at ISF) that I never wrote anything of the sort in relation to the Schumacher accident. So Hugo has either had an unfortunate memory lapse, or he's deliberately chosen to mendaciously represent my words and views, in order to attack me (and, by extension, all the "Knox groupies", as he so disgustingly terms anyone who possesses an opinion that Knox and Sollecito were rightly acquitted). Or, as is most likely IMO, a combination of the two.

So, well done Hugo! In turn, I suppose I could misrepresent you by stating that you spend your lonely days sitting in a small damp room dreaming of being James Bond and ruing your failure in your career and in your life in general. But I won't because that would be unfair and incorrect. Right? :D
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:10 pm

LondonSupporter wrote:Well fewer that 2,500 people have watched it in over two months (and three of them are me) so it isn't setting the world on fire. It will now fade quietly into the obscurity it so richly deserves.


To London

Hey London I did watch the rap video as well, even I was no fan of it. But I am watching this new ABC show called: Quantico and it about a woman name Alex Parrish and she was a woman of Iraq and she play a character of being the fugitive and it a must hit show, and I really enjoy it, even it also like: Everyone believe she guilty and saying she did it. Beside Alex believe she innocent and someone else did it to frame her, even it also like the TJMK believe the guilt. While we believe the innocent, and I am hoping a change for better because I really want the show to get better, even let say this if Amanda was innocent and would she be on the run, of being a fugitive even it never good to hide your face, unless you want to fight to proven your innocent. So my question is if Amanda was like Alex into the tv show? Would we have a change of heart. I would support her even it take time, to fight. But Amanda never run, even she stayed with the police to help out. But got screw of Italy justice system and there evidence was mistreated in a bad way of sloppy Joe and all evidence was ruin!!!

P S if you haven't watch the show: Here is the picture right now!!!

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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby LondonSupporter » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:03 am

Thanks Tom.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:20 am

LondonSupporter wrote:Thanks Tom.


To London

Your Welcome London!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:38 am

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Golly I am really love this that the word we are now going to follow is: Unknown, and not unknown or what ever is an unknown? That is the question or the answer. Gosh I love this video and it rhymies into a funny way. But one member name Corpusvile posted this video and said this!!!

Bruce wrote: 'We're certain she was there...but we're not certain she was there...but we're certain she was there.'

It can't really be that bad, can it?!



Corpusvile Video:
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Now it get more crazy, that Norris C. Wrote this next!!!

Norris C. Wrote: Is Fischer masquerading as Bush?


Ok Norris C. Enough with the joke thing even sure if Bruce is being like Bush. How come you being a dope of not unknown, even a lot of people has taste of the magical word: Unknown and it a meaning of to think to known and to unknown. Did you all know that all lawyers use the word unknown into there of point an evidence of a crime scene. How can some of the TJMK use a silly issue of a wonderful word called: Unknown. I honesty give up on it right now!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:51 am

To everyone

Ok last one of today and this one is on Norris C. I really love it! Norris C. Thinks this way!!!

Norris C. Wrote: I find the following Fischer comment alarming. Why on earth would there be a need to advise his groupies to leave a murder victims family alone? Did they have more of what they have done for the past 8yrs planned?


Doesn't he get it. It like the best thing to do is leave them alone? Beside you won't leave Amanda Knox family alone. What they do is make trash them. Poor PMF.NET what will they think of next right now!!!

P S did you know that Stephanie Kercher said: We need some time to be left alone, and she did said that period!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Francisco » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:43 am

ScifiTom wrote:To everyone

Ok last one of today and this one is on Norris C. I really love it! Norris C. Thinks this way!!!

Norris C. Wrote: I find the following Fischer comment alarming. Why on earth would there be a need to advise his groupies to leave a murder victims family alone? Did they have more of what they have done for the past 8yrs planned?


Doesn't he get it. It like the best thing to do is leave them alone? Beside you won't leave Amanda Knox family alone. What they do is make trash them. Poor PMF.NET what will they think of next right now!!!

P S did you know that Stephanie Kercher said: We need some time to be left alone, and she did said that period!!!

Should this still be the message now that, according to Machiavelli;

#meredithkercher family lawyer hints of civil action after annullment of #amandaknox guilty verdict, #seekingjustice (Interesting that he (Maresca or Mach?) refers to it as "annullment of 'Amanda' guilty verdict". Wasn't Raffaele acquitted as well?)
#meredithkercher family calls SC decision "unacceptable" & "a diplomatic verdict" to "avoid an incident with USA"
"We won't stop until #meredithkercher will have justice" says Maresca, #amandaknox #raffaelesollecito
Maresca announces "battle", "we have multiple options" #meredithkercher Mignini: will talk about verdict "in future"

If the Kercher's are making public statements calling the decision "unacceptable" and suggesting it was politically motivated, and they are essentially confirming that they refuse to accept anything other than Amanda's conviction (I guess they don't care about Raffaele?), then why should discussing them be off limits?
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:13 am

Francisco wrote:
ScifiTom wrote:To everyone

Ok last one of today and this one is on Norris C. I really love it! Norris C. Thinks this way!!!

Norris C. Wrote: I find the following Fischer comment alarming. Why on earth would there be a need to advise his groupies to leave a murder victims family alone? Did they have more of what they have done for the past 8yrs planned?


Doesn't he get it. It like the best thing to do is leave them alone? Beside you won't leave Amanda Knox family alone. What they do is make trash them. Poor PMF.NET what will they think of next right now!!!

P S did you know that Stephanie Kercher said: We need some time to be left alone, and she did said that period!!!

Should this still be the message now that, according to Machiavelli;

#meredithkercher family lawyer hints of civil action after annullment of #amandaknox guilty verdict, #seekingjustice (Interesting that he (Maresca or Mach?) refers to it as "annullment of 'Amanda' guilty verdict". Wasn't Raffaele acquitted as well?)
#meredithkercher family calls SC decision "unacceptable" & "a diplomatic verdict" to "avoid an incident with USA"
"We won't stop until #meredithkercher will have justice" says Maresca, #amandaknox #raffaelesollecito
Maresca announces "battle", "we have multiple options" #meredithkercher Mignini: will talk about verdict "in future"

If the Kercher's are making public statements calling the decision "unacceptable" and suggesting it was politically motivated, and they are essentially confirming that they refuse to accept anything other than Amanda's conviction (I guess they don't care about Raffaele?), then why should discussing them be off limits?


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Hey Francisco it would be a message just like Machiavelli would say even I hate it when 2 family fight of that they want something or they don't care, even it like they are hurt of losing there love ones and it gets me frustrated of he or she are hurt into sadness and this happens a lot of time even losing a love one. Sometimes the tough get going and it never easy. I felt bad for the Kerchers even sure they might not don't get it at all. It like we must accepted the facts of crime even if Amanda was found guilty. She would be punish. But instead Amanda was found not guilty and case over even enough is enough!!!

I am not good into cases even when ever I go on of a case over and over again of a crime wave, he or she did the crime! They get punish. But if they didn't do it. They shouldn't be punish and it not worth it. I also want to make another issue, of that I am going to make my next reply into something else that I don't like very much. I will explain that part Francisco, into my next reply. I only wanted peace, even I get sick and tired of the nonsense. I would walk away, and not get involved of it. I let the court handle it. Sometimes a court can be a pain in the butt, even they might have a terrible judge as well!!!

Sorry I act this way, even I see one family hurt and another just want freedom!!!
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Dad & Son

Postby ScifiTom » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:42 am

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Hey everyone this is something I pick up today and it disgusted me, of bad behavior or how low can they go into guilt of not knowing or why they believe the guilt? What you mean TMJ?

What I mean is that one of the PMF did something a little out of hand even I love my dad very much and it is hard my dad do go the wrong way even I know that I stand behind him, even I am not a lawyer or I never intend to be one of quarter to never, even it just not me. Oh sure I read novels. But I didn't go to law school and I don't like playing games of how my dad said: It good to play cops and robbers into a game, of why he does it this way. Hmmmmm one of the member in the PMF name Zorba wrote this whole thing of a speech show and he use it into a guilt of congratulation even telling him that the person is famous even he or she not famous of being guilty. My god what wrong this Zorba. I truly love it, and yes I am going to put it into colors as well of red & blue, and you will see each part and here we go!!!

Dad & Son

Dad: Congratulations son!

Son: What?

Dad: Congratulations.. on your case!

Son: What?

Dad: They said you are unguilted
Son: Un? guilt? ed? Is that a word
Dad: In your case yes
Son: Why, and what is it?
Dad: It's because they have just said that they cannot prove that you are guilty, nevertheless, they also cannot prove that you are not guilty, so they let you go.
Son: This is confusing now I still don't know if I did it or not
Dad: Yes you do you are free, so you didn't do it, all of the confusion you had about your whereabouts that night is now dispelled and you no longer have to question your own mind and memory... after all, who are you to disagree with them, the mighty Supreme Court?
Son: But... my conscience, I have dealt with it rather well, it started when I was sat there at police headquarters with those dumb cops. Any person with any degree of intelligence and ordinary reasoning ability could deduct that it could be assumed that if a person has a girl/boyfriend that they would be out to protect that individual, of course many couples argue and fight but under ordinary circumstances where there is a question of romance and an initial romantic stage one would not ordinarily be right to assume that said example couple would be arguing and fighting right away at the dawn of this romance, therefore, as I said I had been with her all night yet changed this short thereafter, why would I do that?
Dad: You tell me son!
Son: I would do that for one of the following reasons, let's say these are the options:

1) I had not been with her all night
2) I thought I had been with her all night but maybe wasn't if she did indeed creep out without my knowing, taking my knife along to use then sneaked back in the house without a sound and slid back on into bed, I noticing not a thing, even when I went for a leak a couple of times (which she would never have figured into her plan as a possibility, but even if she had thought about that well she'd have known I would not ever notice her gone even when I took a leak because I have poor eyesight) because I have bad eyes, perhaps if I had at that time been in the possession of a better quality pair of spectacles I might have seen more clearly what I was doing and have seen that she had departed, whereupon I might have thought of calling the police, they might have gone to look for her and stopped her doing the murder with my knife if she did do it, that's what I was thinking about anyhow when I told the police, in a friendly, helpful way, she lived only for pleasure, what meant, damn, if she did do this thing you dumb cops, then I bet it had something to do with this flawed character I am already conveniently defining for your consideration(s) solemnly herewith.


3) I went nuts

4) I had crept off in the night and committed the murder without her knowing or noticing me gone

5) I had been with her all night but not as I reported, for we had indeed committed the murder together and I was afraid because there was no way I could know what she was telling the police elsewhere in the police building. To cover for myself I started filing girlfriend-divorce-proceedings immediately, I dumped her unceremoniously right there, I spoke of her as one would when writing an obituary, as though she were gone, I described her character as though it might be flawed:- if I had been with her all night at home as I had reported initially, then there's no way in hell I would have started identifying character flaws by saying such things about her, because under ordinary circumstances where two people have been at home alone together all night, sleeping together thereby, they just do not, within the terms of usual behaviour seen in reasonable people, set about dumping them and describing casually and helpfully, the other's character negatives, I did though, because we committed murder, and I was afraid she would reveal the truth. I split from her at that point, in abstract fashion, for I remained totally vague, saying/offering/asking/accusing, maybe she crept off in the night with my knife..? Why did I say with my knife Dad?

Dad: You tell me son!
Son: I said it in order to cover for myself if any trace of Meredith's blood/DNA should happen to be found on my knife, despite my having washed it, I was way ahead of the game Dad, I didn't say I'd done anything but was saying maybe she had, and if she had, then she must have taken my knife, she did after all live only for pleasure and was not quite grounded in reality, and so if she did it then, well, it was all her fault, and I said if I am in all of this, it is also all her fault, if I had been owning up to the crimes my details here would have been like pieces of a puzzle that fit right into place, very useful, change a word here and there, it would be like saying I was there, I was involved and whatever I did, I did it because of her.

Thereafter, in my own mind, somewhere, I am able to step over the fact of my own guilt placing the responsibility, in my head, onto someone else, onto her, it was her fault, this allowing me to act towards myself as though I am not really guilty, and so be released from my conscience, it is to go so far that I myself become convinced of my non-involvement, it is almost as though none of it ever actually happened even though I decide to embark on a full tour of the case and do as many TV shows as possible bemoaning my ill-treatment at the hands of the aggressors, which includes anyone who should even still think of me as guilty, or those who ever did, nonetheless, if the entire world were to ignore the case and never speak of it in any way, ever again, I would be unable to, because it is me who is unable to live with the reality of what I did, the nasty, blaming, arrogant attitude I already had before I even met her has grown from a seed to a tree, and I merrily continue to exert force, aiming to make people see things my way, me as the tormented prisoner, mistreated, that solitary cell they kept me in, walls 50 feet thick, eating the insects and rodents I managed to trap in the complete darkness, for they allowed me not one window, they the rubbish, the dumb, the nothings, they are all a nonsense and I do not wish to see them punished, unlike what they would do to me, I am the benevolent, the Samaritan, the reasonable, the considerate, the normal, the good, the forgiver, the kind, no, I do not wish to see them punished but it's just that they ...... bla bla bla bla bla... I'm in pain, the torture, they choked me up, they were suffocating me, why would I ever consider being careful with the types of words I use to describe my own sorry, sad plight, when someone gets knifed to death why should I not express all of my torment, why shouldn't I act in a totally insensitive manner given the tragic nature of the acts inflicted upon the person murdered and the grief her family feels? Why should I consider their feelings? Why should I not seek pity? Why should I not attempt to force the entire world to sympathise with my life as a, what may seem like, Caitlyn double? What do you think Dad?

Dad: Well, I don't like that bun on your head of late son, without prejudice to your sad mental patient type of dress... you already told me a 1000 times that you did do it but it was all her fault so you are not guilty, you exonerate yourself herewith, however, I say the court says you didn't do it so you must agree with them, must you not? and exonerate yourself therewith?

Son: ... it's no as simple as that Dad

Dad: Why not? they let you go, you have nothing more to worry about! Where you were muddled up they have made your own mind up for you, if you didn't know well, just take it from them

Son: I cannot, I wish to first tell all of them off, including those latest dumb judges, my inner sense of guilt wishes and drives me to want to have them grovel at my feet and thank me for being so considerate for all the world to see, they were not good in their jobs so who am I to tell them off you might think, but I am he the tormented, the choked, the life they killed, murdered, despite this I say no, not I, not a single one shall be harmed, for I am the bestower of all that is good according to my very own book.

Dad: Don't you think you are going a bit far son?

Son: Not at all, for I am a deluded fool Sir, certified by my abovementioned very own book, I shall not give up until I internally combust leading to external combustion in the world raising, in my clumsy ways, all of the points that my defence did so heartily avoid.

Dad: Son, you know what, for me, you sound as though you have lost the plot.

Son: Who cares, I'm famous, I'm successful they are all bad, I'm good for forgiving them and not going after them to show and prove how bad they all are and not me.

Dad: How does all that work son, what crap have you got swimming around in your head?

Son: I find it difficult, in an abstract way then, because we are agreeing with the court here in this room, and so I did not do it, I'm free... but, again, I say I find it difficult, in real life (away from TV & Press) to live with what I did so I am intertwined in a set-up in which I cannot stop doing what I am doing, by accusing everyone else of being the baddies I feel less bad about myself, my days are spent blaming everyone else and showing how good I am.. me, myself and I. And because I know they don't really believe me and neither do I, it won't go away Dad, make it go away Dad, make it!!!
Dad: I tried son, I tried my best, but you blew a fuse somewhere down the line and something's missing, how do they say that in English again, you've got a screwdriver loose son?
Son: ??? Screwdriver
Dad: Wait, the screw in your brain, it's loose son, your head it not screwed on right, it drive you nuts right?
Son: No, I am perfectly alright, now, let me see my agenda, ah yes, Friday, talk show 'How I Forgave those Dumb Cops and Judges and Nonsenses and 'How they Beg to Kiss my Feet'.
Dad: Yes son you just get on with your job your new television career, forget the murder, forget it ever happened, let them thank you for being a murderer while you dig your own grave a nice, unstrange, swell guy.
Son: They shall beg to be permitted to offer their apologies admitting therein their incompetence and inferiority to I, the magnificent, most loved guy in his hometown.
Dad: Most loved, you kidding son, peoples crossing the street when they see ya.
Son: Oh that, they are jealous of my fame and wealth.
Dad: Yeah, yeah, you're right, that or they are suspicious that you are some kind of a maniac with a mammoth-sized twisted streak and a propensity to commit murder.
Son: They would never think suchlike about my good person Sir.
Dad: Yes your highness.
Son: You're welcome, oh right-hand man, accomplice most wicked, to murder indeed, a doctor no less, but therefore far worse, upholder and representative of good societal mores, didst abandon that good ship dashed upon the rocks on the waves of his son's deceit, and did transpire to partake therefore and indulge thereby with gay abandon in the merriment leading the judicial proceedings up the garden path.
Dad: Are you saying I'm worse than thou?
Son: At least.
Dad: But the court said you are un-guilted
Son: Un-guilted my arrrrrsss Sire, you know I did it but have no blame for it was all her fault, but you have no real reason for doing what you have done, other than that you are a weak and pathetic individual, who has sold society out and do you now wish to blame me for your behaviour?
Dad: No son I'd never blame someone else, I'm not you. Let's just call us even son, eh?

Son: Okay dad... ... ... .... but... you are worse if I did do it after all.


Ok in my own word this is a troll of guilt. Yep my friend even not just a guilt. It like this is an attack on me? Yep one of them using this catch phrase on me even it more on Raffaele of guilt too. You know Raffaele Father was never a lawyer in the first place Zorba. Ok but who has a Father of being a Lawyer. Hmmmmmmm me! Plus let see the 3 ceme colon. How many time did you do it 2 times. Oh wait a min it. How many time do I do ceme colon. Tons of time and why I do my !!! because it means something for my family to believe and the innocent or other things I care for, just like Reading a novel or my Anne Hathaway style. Yep I am still crazy for that gal and course not I won't stop for nothing and that all I have to say and if you want to read what Zorba wrote into a script book of let just Zorba want to make a play of being famous to go on Broadway of a script of guilt, and I prove this message to the world!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Hans » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:34 pm

Francisco wrote:Should this still be the message now that, according to Machiavelli;

#meredithkercher family lawyer hints of civil action after annullment of #amandaknox guilty verdict, #seekingjustice (Interesting that he (Maresca or Mach?) refers to it as "annullment of 'Amanda' guilty verdict". Wasn't Raffaele acquitted as well?)
#meredithkercher family calls SC decision "unacceptable" & "a diplomatic verdict" to "avoid an incident with USA"
"We won't stop until #meredithkercher will have justice" says Maresca, #amandaknox #raffaelesollecito
Maresca announces "battle", "we have multiple options" #meredithkercher Mignini: will talk about verdict "in future"

If the Kercher's are making public statements calling the decision "unacceptable" and suggesting it was politically motivated, and they are essentially confirming that they refuse to accept anything other than Amanda's conviction (I guess they don't care about Raffaele?), then why should discussing them be off limits?

This current frenzy is based on an article in Giallo
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The main text of the article reads:
"La Corte di Cassazione, con la sua clamorosa decisione, è tornata indietro di otto anni. La sentenza, che non esito a definire inaccettabile ha cancellato con un colpo di i spugna otto gradi di giudizio i tre gradi che hanno portatc alla condanna di Rudy Guede e i cinque necessari per arrivare alla sentenza definitiva per Amanda e Raffaele".
Queste parole sono state pronunciate da Francesco Maresca l'awocato della famiglia Kercher. Il legale ha commentato le motivazione con cui la Corte di Cassazione ha messo la parola fine a uno dei casi di cronaca più sconvolgenti e controversi degli ultimi anni: l'omicidio di Meredith Kercher, la studentessa inglese di 22 anni uccisa a Perugia nel 2007. Come vai abbiamo riferito la scorsa settimana, i giudici della Suprema Corte hanno assolto dall’accusa di omicidio Raffaele Sollecito, oggi 31 anni, e la sua ex fidanzata, la studentessa americana Amanda knox, oggi 28. “Investigatori e magistrati hanno commesso clamorosi errori e colpevoli omissioni”, ha scritto la Cassazione nelle motivazioni, aggiungendo che Amanda e Raffaele devono essere risarciti perché “vittime della giustizia”. Accuse gravissime rivolte a chi per otto anni ha indagato sulla vicenda. A cominciare dal giudice Giuliano Mignini, il pm della Procura die Perugia che ha coordinato le indagini e sostenuto l’accusa durante il primo processo in Corte d’assise, culminato con la condanna di Sollecito e Amanda. Ecco che cosa ha dichiarato Mignini in esclusiva a Giallo: “Rifarei tutto quello che ho fatto. Non credo di aver commesso errori nell’inchiesta sull’omicidio di meredith Kercher. Sicuramente non è stata un’indagine semplice, ma ritengo di aver lavorato con onestà e corretezza, seguendo un’unica strada, quella impostami dalla legge”. Il magistrato ha preferito non entrare nel merito della sentenza emessa dai giudici della Cassazione, ma non ha escluso che lo farà in futuro, rilevando alcuni aspetti della vicenda finora taciuti.

“Cinquanta giudici non la pensano così”

Ma torniamo alla famiglia della vittima. I genitori e fratelli di Mez, ill sopranome della povera Meredith, non si danno pace. Il loro legale, l’avvocato Francesco Maresca, ha preannunciato battaglia. Ha detto: “Insieme con la famiglia della povera Meredith stiamo valutando quali iniziative adottare. Le possibilità sono molteplici, a cominciare dalla richiesta di un risarcimento per le vittime di morte violenta, come stabilisce una convenzione europea. Dopo aver letto motivazioni, non possiamo escludere l’avvio di un’azione risarcitoria anche nei confronti dello Stato. I giudici della Cassazione hanno contestato l'èsito degli accertamenti scientifici, sostenendo che non è stata fatta la ripetizione di questi esami e che quindi questa mancanza inficerebbe tutti i risultati. Gli stessi giudici si sono limitati a sostenere che gli esami non erano validi, senza però spiegare i motivi. A questo punto una domanda sorge spontanea: perché hanno bocciato ciò che altri giudici avevano dato per buono? La mia sensazione è che lo Stato volesse mettere la parola fine a questa vicenda e lo abbia fatto con questa clamorosa sentenza di assoluzione. Non escludo possa esserci stato un condizionamento “diplomatico”, dal momento che tra gli imputati c’era un cittadina americana che nel frattempo, in attesa di giudizio, era tornata nel suo Paese. Sicuramente, in caso di condanna di Amanda Knox, la richiesta di estradizione avrebbe creato non poche tensioni tra gli Stati Uniti e l’Italia. È troppo semplice, oggi, ridicolizzare tutto il lavoro che ben 50 giudici hanno fatto in otto lunghi anni. Si sapeva fin dall’inizio che nell’inchiesta c’erano state diverse lacune, ma i vari gradi di giudizio avevano fatto emergere sufficienti prove per arrivare a una condanna. I giudici della Cassazione, almeno, avrebbero dovuto spiegare perché questi 50 magistrati la pensano diversamente da loro...”. In questi giorni ha parlato anche Stephanie, la sorella di Meredith. Ha detto: “Giustizia assurda. Mia Sorella Mez non meritava tutto questo”.

How accurate Giallo is, is demonstrated by the caption to the images of Meredith and the one of her parents and Stephanie on the left, it reads:
Chiederemo un risarcimento allo stato
Perugia, Sopra: Meredith Kercher, detta Mez, 22 anni, la studentessa inglese uccisa nel 2007 a Perugia. Per il suo omicidio è stato condannato solo Rudy Guede, studente della Costa d'Avorio.
A sinistra: Stephanie, la mamma di Meredith, John, il papà, e Arline, la sorella. Dice il loro avvocato, Francesco Maresca: "La sentenza della Cassazione è inaccettabile. Chiederemo un risarcimento allo stato"

So unless those statements are to be found worthy to be repeated by the English tabloids... :popcorn:
He [Raffaele] is collateral damage in the unreasonable, irresponsible, and unrelenting scapegoating of the prosecution’s grotesque caricature that is “Foxy Knoxy”
~ Amanda Knox
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Francisco » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:55 pm

ScifiTom wrote:
Francisco wrote:
ScifiTom wrote:To everyone

Ok last one of today and this one is on Norris C. I really love it! Norris C. Thinks this way!!!

Norris C. Wrote: I find the following Fischer comment alarming. Why on earth would there be a need to advise his groupies to leave a murder victims family alone? Did they have more of what they have done for the past 8yrs planned?


Doesn't he get it. It like the best thing to do is leave them alone? Beside you won't leave Amanda Knox family alone. What they do is make trash them. Poor PMF.NET what will they think of next right now!!!

P S did you know that Stephanie Kercher said: We need some time to be left alone, and she did said that period!!!

Should this still be the message now that, according to Machiavelli;

#meredithkercher family lawyer hints of civil action after annullment of #amandaknox guilty verdict, #seekingjustice (Interesting that he (Maresca or Mach?) refers to it as "annullment of 'Amanda' guilty verdict". Wasn't Raffaele acquitted as well?)
#meredithkercher family calls SC decision "unacceptable" & "a diplomatic verdict" to "avoid an incident with USA"
"We won't stop until #meredithkercher will have justice" says Maresca, #amandaknox #raffaelesollecito
Maresca announces "battle", "we have multiple options" #meredithkercher Mignini: will talk about verdict "in future"

If the Kercher's are making public statements calling the decision "unacceptable" and suggesting it was politically motivated, and they are essentially confirming that they refuse to accept anything other than Amanda's conviction (I guess they don't care about Raffaele?), then why should discussing them be off limits?


To Francisco

Hey Francisco it would be a message just like Machiavelli would say even I hate it when 2 family fight of that they want something or they don't care, even it like they are hurt of losing there love ones and it gets me frustrated of he or she are hurt into sadness and this happens a lot of time even losing a love one. Sometimes the tough get going and it never easy. I felt bad for the Kerchers even sure they might not don't get it at all. It like we must accepted the facts of crime even if Amanda was found guilty. She would be punish. But instead Amanda was found not guilty and case over even enough is enough!!!

I am not good into cases even when ever I go on of a case over and over again of a crime wave, he or she did the crime! They get punish. But if they didn't do it. They shouldn't be punish and it not worth it. I also want to make another issue, of that I am going to make my next reply into something else that I don't like very much. I will explain that part Francisco, into my next reply. I only wanted peace, even I get sick and tired of the nonsense. I would walk away, and not get involved of it. I let the court handle it. Sometimes a court can be a pain in the butt, even they might have a terrible judge as well!!!

Sorry I act this way, even I see one family hurt and another just want freedom!!!

Tom, the issue here was 'groupies' being advised to leave the victim's family alone. If we are to believe Machiavelli - something I am not quite as quick to do as others - then the Kercher's are not looking to accept the verdict and begin the grieving process... they are still trying to drag Amanda (and, I assume, Raffaele, though you would never know it) back into the case. I have always believed that the Kercher's deserve respect and, when asked for, their privacy. However, if these tweets are true, then they are putting themselves back into the public domain and therefore we should be able to discuss them as it pertains to the case and their ongoing efforts to prosecute it.

It's kind of odd how the Kercher's, Maresca, eta al, have claimed it is over and now, apparently, they all have this change of heart. Then again, Machiavelli might just be lying or embellishing things with DotNut (tm) being all to eager to promote it.
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Re: Dad & Son

Postby Francisco » Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:11 pm

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Hey everyone this is something I pick up today and it disgusted me, of bad behavior or how low can they go into guilt of not knowing or why they believe the guilt? What you mean TMJ?

What I mean is that one of the PMF did something a little out of hand even I love my dad very much and it is hard my dad do go the wrong way even I know that I stand behind him, even I am not a lawyer or I never intend to be one of quarter to never, even it just not me. Oh sure I read novels. But I didn't go to law school and I don't like playing games of how my dad said: It good to play cops and robbers into a game, of why he does it this way. Hmmmmm one of the member in the PMF name Zorba wrote this whole thing of a speech show and he use it into a guilt of congratulation even telling him that the person is famous even he or she not famous of being guilty. My god what wrong this Zorba. I truly love it, and yes I am going to put it into colors as well of red & blue, and you will see each part and here we go!!!
Dad & Son.... blah blah blah


Ok in my own word this is a troll of guilt. Yep my friend even not just a guilt. It like this is an attack on me? Yep one of them using this catch phrase on me even it more on Raffaele of guilt too. You know Raffaele Father was never a lawyer in the first place Zorba. Ok but who has a Father of being a Lawyer. Hmmmmmmm me! Plus let see the 3 ceme colon. How many time did you do it 2 times. Oh wait a min it. How many time do I do ceme colon. Tons of time and why I do my !!! because it means something for my family to believe and the innocent or other things I care for, just like Reading a novel or my Anne Hathaway style. Yep I am still crazy for that gal and course not I won't stop for nothing and that all I have to say and if you want to read what Zorba wrote into a script book of let just Zorba want to make a play of being famous to go on Broadway of a script of guilt, and I prove this message to the world!!!

Of all the lunatics that still frequent DotNut (tm) you had to quote zorba? S/he is a complete waste of bandwidth. Even the other nuts on the site avoid conversing with her/him. The post is disgusting - what little bit I read... I'm sure it gets worse - but as the expression goes; consider the source.

I'd be more concerned with some of the current drivel by ergon. For example;

Ergon wrote:Re your first question, yes, things are moving on several fronts which I will share as soon as they solidify. But yes, the fight is not over yet. Not while PMF, TJMK, and TMOMK wiki remain to educate about the case. More to come..

I can't speculate what Mignini was referring to but based on what I know of the case I guess he's referring to the DNA findings; Conti, Vecchiotti, and Gill really misled the court. He also might know how Hellmann was suborned and expose the State Department's involvement. The CSM? As I said almost immediately after the acquittal, there always will be that option. Let's see how that pans out.

I'm sure Amanda and Raffaele would like to put this behind them and get on with their lives but there might still be a need to apply legal action to these guilter sites. Given the court's ruling, there could be solid basis for some libel suits. I'd love nothing more than to see the likes of ergon or jackie getting into a legal mess. They've been hiding behind their censored websites spewing their hate for too long.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Alex_K » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:05 pm

So Giallo is calling Rudy aa student, Stephanie Meredith's mother, and Arline, Meredith's sister. Typical "yellow" journalism.

My reading of Maresca's words is that he might seek compensation from the Italian state for the unduly long proceedings and the sloppy police work, in line with the latest SC ruling which admitted and emphasized that. Eventually that could work.

Also, both M's may be reacting to Raffaele's words about taking the case to the CSM.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Francisco » Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:57 am

Alex_K wrote:So Giallo is calling Rudy aa student, Stephanie Meredith's mother, and Arline, Meredith's sister. Typical "yellow" journalism.

My reading of Maresca's words is that he might seek compensation from the Italian state for the unduly long proceedings and the sloppy police work, in line with the latest SC ruling which admitted and emphasized that. Eventually that could work.

Also, both M's may be reacting to Raffaele's words about taking the case to the CSM.

Raffaele taking the case to the CSM would be tantamount to pressing charges against Massei and Nencini. I seriously doubt that is what the Kercher' would be after, assuming Mach's tweet was legit. It seems clear to me they want Amanda to pay for Meredith's murder and, if that's the case, then it's about time they start addressing their accusations and beliefs regarding her involvement. JMHO.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Alex_K » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:30 am

Francisco wrote:
Alex_K wrote:So Giallo is calling Rudy aa student, Stephanie Meredith's mother, and Arline, Meredith's sister. Typical "yellow" journalism.

My reading of Maresca's words is that he might seek compensation from the Italian state for the unduly long proceedings and the sloppy police work, in line with the latest SC ruling which admitted and emphasized that. Eventually that could work.

Also, both M's may be reacting to Raffaele's words about taking the case to the CSM.

Raffaele taking the case to the CSM would be tantamount to pressing charges against Massei and Nencini. I seriously doubt that is what the Kercher' would be after, assuming Mach's tweet was legit. It seems clear to me they want Amanda to pay for Meredith's murder and, if that's the case, then it's about time they start addressing their accusations and beliefs regarding her involvement. JMHO.


What I was saying is Maresca and Mignini, now on the defensive, are reacting to the potential threat to them from a CSM investigation. (Maresca would not be directly affected, since the CSM does not oversee defense lawyers.) The CSM seldom goes beyond verbal censure, true. Still, when Raffaele says, "I want Mignini et al. investigated," the rules of the game dictate a response from Mignini et al.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Francisco » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:12 pm

Alex_K wrote:
Francisco wrote:
Alex_K wrote:So Giallo is calling Rudy aa student, Stephanie Meredith's mother, and Arline, Meredith's sister. Typical "yellow" journalism.

My reading of Maresca's words is that he might seek compensation from the Italian state for the unduly long proceedings and the sloppy police work, in line with the latest SC ruling which admitted and emphasized that. Eventually that could work.

Also, both M's may be reacting to Raffaele's words about taking the case to the CSM.

Raffaele taking the case to the CSM would be tantamount to pressing charges against Massei and Nencini. I seriously doubt that is what the Kercher' would be after, assuming Mach's tweet was legit. It seems clear to me they want Amanda to pay for Meredith's murder and, if that's the case, then it's about time they start addressing their accusations and beliefs regarding her involvement. JMHO.


What I was saying is Maresca and Mignini, now on the defensive, are reacting to the potential threat to them from a CSM investigation. (Maresca would not be directly affected, since the CSM does not oversee defense lawyers.) The CSM seldom goes beyond verbal censure, true. Still, when Raffaele says, "I want Mignini et al. investigated," the rules of the game dictate a response from Mignini et al.

Sorry, I read "both M's" but interpreted that as the Kercher's (and no, I can't explain that. Maybe Meredith --> M's ?? ::doh:: ). I agree.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby erasmus44 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:57 pm

I seem to have become popular over there and so I probably should correct a few impressions that they have about me.
1. I marched on Montgomery with Dr. King,
2. I participated in my church's Black Lives Matter demonstration this past month,
3. Early in my career, I handled a variety of criminal cases in state and federal court - I also represented the SDS, anti-war demonstrators, and indigents,
4. I am not from a privileged background - my grandmother was a domestic servant - although I admit that law practice and the stock and real estate markets have been kind to me.
5. I have studied the Kercher case closely and made a special point to read TJMK and PMF as well as Follain and Nadeau carefully. I just don't see any credible evidence of guilt while I do see considerable evidence of innocence.
6. I was not "too old" for Vietnam but I did have a congenital heart murmur which precluded my induction into the military and which ultimately led to a need for open heart surgery.
7. At this point, I really think it is appropriate to move on to other cases on which our efforts can have a real impact upon the outcome.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Zrausch » Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:42 am

erasmus44 wrote:I seem to have become popular over there and so I probably should correct a few impressions that they have about me.
1. I marched on Montgomery with Dr. King,
2. I participated in my church's Black Lives Matter demonstration this past month,
3. Early in my career, I handled a variety of criminal cases in state and federal court - I also represented the SDS, anti-war demonstrators, and indigents,
4. I am not from a privileged background - my grandmother was a domestic servant - although I admit that law practice and the stock and real estate markets have been kind to me.
5. I have studied the Kercher case closely and made a special point to read TJMK and PMF as well as Follain and Nadeau carefully. I just don't see any credible evidence of guilt while I do see considerable evidence of innocence.
6. I was not "too old" for Vietnam but I did have a congenital heart murmur which precluded my induction into the military and which ultimately led to a need for open heart surgery.
7. At this point, I really think it is appropriate to move on to other cases on which our efforts can have a real impact upon the outcome.


lol the outrageousness they have to resort to resolving their cognitive dissonance. they need to give it up and move on. it was a weak case overflowing with reasonable doubt, and that's a generous way of putting it. so much denial.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Clive Wismayer » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:06 pm

Geez, are they still going? How many are left?
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Zrausch » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:11 am

you need to be a trial lawyer with 10 years working murder cases involving sex games gone wrong before you can judge mignini's brilliant case :roll eyes:
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:26 pm

Clive Wismayer wrote:Geez, are they still going? How many are left?


To Clive

Hey Clive, I am not sure how many are still going, or how many have left. In my own words. Poor Peter Quennell still losing it, of now he telling us that the OGGI magazine company is going to go to jail, on 4/26/16. We only got 22 days until it is 4/26/16!!!

P S you can read it right here of what on earth is poor Peter is writing right now!!!

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php ... ublishing/
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:11 am

To everyone

Hey everyone as knowing it is still poor Ergon now truly think that the Banana is a joke into the model style of that all models woman only talk to a banana not to a telephone, or should I say a cell phone instead. So this is a joke by Ergon and what your take for it!!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BD6rdkfiaHM/

Her name is Melissa Stetten and she talking to the banana of a joke. Sooner or later if a real model see this. I would be very careful Ergon. Because you don't want to mock a model talking to the banana. remember all model love to look good. We know Ergon is no fan of model show down, just like this YouTube video!!!

Watch on youtube.com


So Ergon want to talk about the fashion into the model of design and let all of us talk about it right now. So it being discuss into the PMF.NET!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:32 am

To everyone

Hey everyone, as knowing the PMF.NET will do anything even if we bring up a case, or just any case of the Steven Avery, Kirstin Lobato or let say the Nyki Kish case. I really think that we should move this thread into a new forum, and why I ask because Nell aka administer site who in charge want a challenge into Bruce Fisher other cases!!!

Hi NorrisC,

The real reason why Bruce Fischer now endorses the Brendan Dassey case is because his forum members have, despite his constant nagging, not actively participated in any discussion of his other featured cases. If you have a look at his forum, the cases not related to Knox have not received any case related commentary in months.

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Some of his forum members have commented they will look at the Brendan Dassey/Steven Avery case next and this is, without a doubt, the main reason why he will latch onto this case.

It is to ensure his forum members have a reason to keep visiting his website after the Knox debacle is over.

More importantly, the case is already famous and has a following. The major work has already been done by the Netflix documentary. Bruce Fischer does not have any know-how he can bring to the case. All he has ever done is harassing those who disagree with him.


Now I can see why Nell want a show down even I am willing to keep my faith different, because I believe Bruce is doing a good job, even I just think some should be change. But that is up to Bruce to deceided of what he want to change!!!

But if I have my own forum: I would called it something in my mind of what ever I think of it. I would do it my own term, and maybe tried to work it out. But it all depends on Bruce Fisher!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:37 pm

ScifiTom wrote:To everyone

Hey everyone, as knowing the PMF.NET will do anything even if we bring up a case, or just any case of the Steven Avery, Kirstin Lobato or let say the Nyki Kish case. I really think that we should move this thread into a new forum, and why I ask because Nell aka administer site who in charge want a challenge into Bruce Fisher other cases!!!

I have just heard from an anonymous source that PMF's favourite innocentisti, erasmus44, is now being actively investigated for the Jimmy Hoffa disappearance. Perhaps that's the slow-down here.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby erasmus44 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:01 pm

Bill Williams wrote:
ScifiTom wrote:To everyone

Hey everyone, as knowing the PMF.NET will do anything even if we bring up a case, or just any case of the Steven Avery, Kirstin Lobato or let say the Nyki Kish case. I really think that we should move this thread into a new forum, and why I ask because Nell aka administer site who in charge want a challenge into Bruce Fisher other cases!!!

I have just heard from an anonymous source that PMF's favourite innocentisti, erasmus44, is now being actively investigated for the Jimmy Hoffa disappearance. Perhaps that's the slow-down here.



Please try to get your facts straight!!!
I have been contacted and interviewed by Michigan and federal authorities several times, BUT it is NOT because they think I was involved in the Hoffa disappearance. It is because they believe that I AM JIMMY HOFFA. Several prominent board certified "bite mark" specialists analyzed an apple that they grabbed from me and compared it to Hoffa's bite marks found on the neck of a Robert Kennedy doll that had been in his possession and have concluded it is a match. I am in deep tapioca.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:58 pm

erasmus44 wrote:Please try to get your facts straight!!!
I have been contacted and interviewed by Michigan and federal authorities several times, BUT it is NOT because they think I was involved in the Hoffa disappearance. It is because they believe that I AM JIMMY HOFFA. Several prominent board certified "bite mark" specialists analyzed an apple that they grabbed from me and compared it to Hoffa's bite marks found on the neck of a Robert Kennedy doll that had been in his possession and have concluded it is a match. I am in deep tapioca.

Nice try. If I must choose between my anonymous source and your attempt at misdirection, the choice is obvious.

Wait until I spill the beans to PMF. You're toast, pal.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:35 am

Bill Williams wrote:
ScifiTom wrote:To everyone

Hey everyone, as knowing the PMF.NET will do anything even if we bring up a case, or just any case of the Steven Avery, Kirstin Lobato or let say the Nyki Kish case. I really think that we should move this thread into a new forum, and why I ask because Nell aka administer site who in charge want a challenge into Bruce Fisher other cases!!!

I have just heard from an anonymous source that PMF's favourite innocentisti, erasmus44, is now being actively investigated for the Jimmy Hoffa disappearance. Perhaps that's the slow-down here.


To Bill

Hey Bill, I can care less of what the anonymous source does for his PMF friends into a favor for Erasmuss44. I know for sure, that me & Erasmuss44 both of us support the innocent for Kirstin Bliase Lobato and for 100% percent. I don't know anything about the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa and I have no intend to in anyway. But what I want is a debate challenge against Machavellia or Nell, or one member of PMF.Net Why? Because each one is to afraid of me. Yes Bill they do go after you of celebrating your birthday of HAHAHA style, into a joking style. I know the conflict of crime wave into reading a novel. But I am here for a debate. I do know that none of them have the guts to go against me, of into a debate!!!

http://www.watch-latest-news.com/u2s-bo ... -security/

Here is U2 Bono fight for a debate into US Congress. I would do the same of challenge a debate into anything go of the time to free Steven Avery & Kirstin Lobato. They both are innocent of their crime!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:43 am

erasmus44 wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
ScifiTom wrote:To everyone

Hey everyone, as knowing the PMF.NET will do anything even if we bring up a case, or just any case of the Steven Avery, Kirstin Lobato or let say the Nyki Kish case. I really think that we should move this thread into a new forum, and why I ask because Nell aka administer site who in charge want a challenge into Bruce Fisher other cases!!!

I have just heard from an anonymous source that PMF's favourite innocentisti, erasmus44, is now being actively investigated for the Jimmy Hoffa disappearance. Perhaps that's the slow-down here.



Please try to get your facts straight!!!
I have been contacted and interviewed by Michigan and federal authorities several times, BUT it is NOT because they think I was involved in the Hoffa disappearance. It is because they believe that I AM JIMMY HOFFA. Several prominent board certified "bite mark" specialists analyzed an apple that they grabbed from me and compared it to Hoffa's bite marks found on the neck of a Robert Kennedy doll that had been in his possession and have concluded it is a match. I am in deep tapioca.


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Hey Erasmus44 I can care less of what the PMF.net thinks if you are Jimmy Hoffa. Look I will go to google.com and type in Jimmy Hoffa and here what I found out of who he is!!!

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolit ... d-lives-on

Ok I found who is Jimmy Hoffa and he dead, even :wow: aka :((: sad and why it sad because that is what PMF.net is all about of being sad of losing a love one. Yes they are sad of sadness and we know PMF you to afraid to go against me into a debate of challenges even it so sad that the PMF.net is afraid. I wonder why, Machavellia not going after me! Oh right he stop reading at the age of 12. It is good to read a novel!!!
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Postby ScifiTom » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:48 am

Bill Williams wrote:
Wait until I spill the beans to PMF.


To Bill

Hey Bill why not wait until you spill the beans to the PMF to me, instead of Erasmuss44 I can take it, even I am not afraid. I am here PMF.net. But let face it, they are yellow coward of being a coward lion of not going after me!!!

My Debate me against any of the PMF: About Kirstin Lobato case

I challenge any member of the PMF with that case and I will win even I might have to take a risk into a debate challenge and it is going to be :wow: :wow: :wow:
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby LondonJohn » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:44 pm

Wow. An extraordinary personal attack on erasmus44 on .net from failed book reviewer Hugo B, most of which has absolutely nothing to do with erasmus' position on the Kercher case but instead seeks to insinuate that he bought his way out of Vietnam service and other similar slurs. And Hugo B has the grotesque chutzpah and irony to write "I don't pay as much attention to Them as They pay to the rest of us".......

Nice work, Hugo! Perhaps try looking inwards a little before launching such nasty, bitter attacks on others, eh? What a unpleasant, squalid little man you are.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Clive Wismayer » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:58 am

LondonJohn wrote:Wow. An extraordinary personal attack on erasmus44 on .net from failed book reviewer Hugo B, most of which has absolutely nothing to do with erasmus' position on the Kercher case but instead seeks to insinuate that he bought his way out of Vietnam service and other similar slurs. And Hugo B has the grotesque chutzpah and irony to write "I don't pay as much attention to Them as They pay to the rest of us".......

Nice work, Hugo! Perhaps try looking inwards a little before launching such nasty, bitter attacks on others, eh? What a unpleasant, squalid little man you are.

Im amazed anyone outside the dwindling band of saddos still reads over there. Is Zorba still posting? And Capealladin? So weird.
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Postby ScifiTom » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:17 am

Clive Wismayer wrote:
LondonJohn wrote:Wow. An extraordinary personal attack on erasmus44 on .net from failed book reviewer Hugo B, most of which has absolutely nothing to do with erasmus' position on the Kercher case but instead seeks to insinuate that he bought his way out of Vietnam service and other similar slurs. And Hugo B has the grotesque chutzpah and irony to write "I don't pay as much attention to Them as They pay to the rest of us".......

Nice work, Hugo! Perhaps try looking inwards a little before launching such nasty, bitter attacks on others, eh? What a unpleasant, squalid little man you are.

Im amazed anyone outside the dwindling band of saddos still reads over there. Is Zorba still posting? And Capealladin? So weird.


To Clive

I am not sure Clive, even the last time I went to the PMF.Net site was April 13. But I will go check and see anything new. I haven't seen Zorba or Capealladin. But I do see Ergon, Nell, sometimes John Q & who can ever forget Jester the dirty artists of painting an art of hurt to attack Amanda for no reason and we know why Jester is just a hurt woman who never understand criminal law. We know Jester you are hurt of losing a love one!!!

Sometimes I truly think they need to look there self in the mirror and start acting like more human of unknown to be tough, and smart of why we care for the innocent and they shouldn't act like HGE of insult and it plan nonsense of HGE because he a hurt man of unknown!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby erasmus44 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:44 am

LondonJohn wrote:Wow. An extraordinary personal attack on erasmus44 on .net from failed book reviewer Hugo B, most of which has absolutely nothing to do with erasmus' position on the Kercher case but instead seeks to insinuate that he bought his way out of Vietnam service and other similar slurs. And Hugo B has the grotesque chutzpah and irony to write "I don't pay as much attention to Them as They pay to the rest of us".......

Nice work, Hugo! Perhaps try looking inwards a little before launching such nasty, bitter attacks on others, eh? What a unpleasant, squalid little man you are.


If I believed what they believe, I would be very angry and I guess they need someone on whom to vent their anger. Better me than AK or RS.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Clive Wismayer » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:58 am

I believe about OJ what they believe about A & R but im not angry. For the most part, they are of a mentally unhealthy disposition in general.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:41 pm

Clive Wismayer wrote:I believe about OJ what they believe about A & R but im not angry. For the most part, they are of a mentally unhealthy disposition in general.

Ditto Casey Anthony. There is reason to believe that the prosecution in the murder of Caylee Anthony blew an open and shut case, and the real heroes on that one is the jury - who put aside obvious distaste for Casey Anthony to deliver the right verdict: it actually had not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and the jury defended the US Constitution against unsafe convictions.

I believe with C.A. what they believe about AK and RS...... but I have not once photoshopped a pic of the rare person who is an innocentisti of Casey Anthony. We've had a few dust-ups here on this board about Jody Arias, someone who is guilty, obviously guilty and where the AZ prosecution did not bungle the case against her. I have no need to further vilify Arias as long as she is where she needs to be - behind bars for the rest of her natural life.

Aside from this, I do not cite mental health concerns to explain what goes on over there. There are other ways of explaining it.
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Postby His Grey Eminence » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:49 pm

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Clive Wismayer wrote: We've had a few dust-ups here on this board about Jody Arias, someone who is guilty, obviously guilty and where the AZ prosecution did not bungle the case against her.


That is what you would have said about Amanda Knox if Stefanoni had not collected or reported the 5 or so profiles that belonged to Rudy Guede - and she seems quite skilled at not finding things she doesn't want to.

Amanda Knox is just Jodi Arias with added black guy.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:54 pm

His Grey Eminence wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote: We've had a few dust-ups here on this board about Jody Arias, someone who is guilty, obviously guilty and where the AZ prosecution did not bungle the case against her.


That is what you would have said about Amanda Knox if Stefanoni had not collected or reported the 5 or so profiles that belonged to Rudy Guede - and she seems quite skilled at not finding things she doesn't want to.

Amanda Knox is just Jodi Arias with added black guy.

If it weren't for race-baiting you'd have little to say.

Otherwise, you have very little sense in what anyone would or would not have said if things had been different.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby His Grey Eminence » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:00 pm

Bill Williams wrote:If it weren't for race-baiting you'd have little to say.

Otherwise, you have very little sense in what anyone would or would not have said if things had been different.


Is "race baiting" how white people whinge about how victimized they are?

But it's a fact, without Rudy Guede you are left with a student that says she was at the murder scene and accuses her employer and then is found with knife with the victim's DNA in her kitchen drawer.

Its far a stronger case than that against Jodi Arias. And the Italians treated Amanda Knox with kid gloves compared with the Americans and Jodi Arias. No nonsense about no questioning without a lawyer present there.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:56 pm

His Grey Eminence wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:If it weren't for race-baiting you'd have little to say.

Otherwise, you have very little sense in what anyone would or would not have said if things had been different.


Is "race baiting" how white people whinge about how victimized they are?

But it's a fact, without Rudy Guede you are left with a student that says she was at the murder scene and accuses her employer and then is found with knife with the victim's DNA in her kitchen drawer.

Its far a stronger case than that against Jodi Arias. And the Italians treated Amanda Knox with kid gloves compared with the Americans and Jodi Arias. No nonsense about no questioning without a lawyer present there.

No, you are race-baiting. No one, white or otherwise, is talking about how victimized they are. You have race-baited, now you're introducing a non sequitor to back it up.

This is not a crime without Rudy Guede. He's the perp. You've now invented a complete fantasy to cover for race-baiting. Stop it.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Hans » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:58 pm

His Grey Eminence wrote:That is what you would have said about Amanda Knox if Stefanoni had not collected or reported the 5 or so profiles that belonged to Rudy Guede - and she seems quite skilled at not finding things she doesn't want to.

Now this is interesting, ok let's play:
So you are assuming that Dottoressa Stefanoni wouldn't be above hiding results pointing to Guede if it had suited her or a certain Pubblico Ministero?
It could have worked that way if they hadn't leaked to the press that there was a quarto uomo as early as November 9th...
His Grey Eminence wrote:[...]
But it's a fact, without Rudy Guede you are left with a student that says she was at the murder scene and accuses her employer and then is found with knife with the victim's DNA in her kitchen drawer.

Given the above, not really, even if we assume that Dottoressa Stefanoni would have been able to erase Guede and his DNA from the record (are you assuming that there would be a reason for this?), we are still left with a "she said - they said" situation when it comes to her "confession of being there" and Lumumba. (There has been another ruling on that one recently, aquitting Miss Knox on a 530.1 basis...) and we are still left with Dottoressa Stefanoni either lying about the DNA on the knife you are so fond of (a few hundred picograms) and falsifying court documents (Real-Time PCR vs Qubit Fluorimeter), or being completely incompetent for allowing that last mistake into the court records....

His Grey Eminence wrote:Amanda Knox is just Jodi Arias with added black guy.
His Grey Eminence wrote:Its far a stronger case than that against Jodi Arias.

...and the Arias case is important, why?

His Grey Eminence wrote:And the Italians treated Amanda Knox with kid gloves compared with the Americans and Jodi Arias. No nonsense about no questioning without a lawyer present there.

See my comment above about the recent ruling...
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby erasmus44 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:27 pm

His Grey Eminence wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:If it weren't for race-baiting you'd have little to say.

Otherwise, you have very little sense in what anyone would or would not have said if things had been different.


Is "race baiting" how white people whinge about how victimized they are?

But it's a fact, without Rudy Guede you are left with a student that says she was at the murder scene and accuses her employer and then is found with knife with the victim's DNA in her kitchen drawer.

Its far a stronger case than that against Jodi Arias. And the Italians treated Amanda Knox with kid gloves compared with the Americans and Jodi Arias. No nonsense about no questioning without a lawyer present there.


Ridiculous - there are so many differences between the two cases that it is hard to know where to start. It is as likely that - had Booth not been identified - Amanda would have been convicted of killing Lincoln.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby LondonJohn » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:30 pm

Clive Wismayer wrote:I believe about OJ what they believe about A & R but im not angry. For the most part, they are of a mentally unhealthy disposition in general.


Yes, but of course the two are extremely different: in the OJ Simpson case, a logical, rational analysis of all of the evidence leads to the inescapable conclusion that Simpson was heavily involved in the murders, was almost certainly the perpetrator, should BARD have been convicted of the crime of murder, and was acquitted only on account of an irrational, biassed, low-intellect jury who were bamboozled by sharp defence lawyers who were given improper latitude by a star-struck and fame-struck judge, and where prosecutors made a number of critical errors. Whereas in the Knox/Sollecito case, a logical, rational analysis shows there to be no credible, reliable evidence pointing to their guilt.

But on another level - if we put that aside - then I get your point. I too believe (of course) that OJ Simpson "got away with it" in terms of a criminal conviction, and I too have no compulsion whatsoever to get angry, vindictive or zealous about it. Like you (I'm guessing), I see it as a shame that the prosecution and the judge messed it up so badly, and I feel sad for the families and friends of the victims that the criminal trial went so badly wrong. Noting more than that.

As I (and others) have written many times before, it really would genuinely be fascinating to see a well-conducted academic or psychiatric study carried out on the "guilter" campaigns in this case. I believe it would be very apparent - as you allude to above - that there is a high correlation with certain mental health conditions and/or mental health events. I think many of the more zealous "guilters" have been psychiatrically damaged by some form of seismic event which has greatly damaged their own sense of self-worth or self-confidence: in many instances this will have been a close personal connection with the victim side of violent crime, and in others it will have been something like a personal humiliation or emotional trauma. And the Knox/Sollecito case is simply acting as a proxy for their own frustrations, bitterness, damaged self-esteem and sense of powerlessness. Certainly the personality demonisation of Knox and Sollecito is a pretty good illustration of all of this, as is the demonisation of a number of pro-acquittal commentators.

Sad to see really. But fascinating in equal amounts.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby LondonJohn » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:31 pm

PS we're in serious thread drift re HGE's "contribution" and its responses - the title of this thread is "Today over at PMF"...............
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby His Grey Eminence » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:34 pm

So you are assuming that Dottoressa Stefanoni wouldn't be above hiding results pointing to Guede if it had suited her or a certain Pubblico Ministero?
It could have worked that way if they hadn't leaked to the press that there was a quarto uomo as early as November 9th...


I believe it was the palm print that they knew neither Knox, Sollecito or Lumbumba would admit to, so they needed a fourth person. That probably was the pivot point. Had that palm print been smeared, then there would have been no Rudy Guede and Amanda Knox would have served 20 years + in prison

Given the above, not really, even if we assume that Dottoressa Stefanoni would have been able to erase Guede and his DNA from the record (are you assuming that there would be a reason for this?)


Meh - she had no difficulty not testing the sperm sample.

The toilet paper - both Knox and Sollecito gave crystal clear descriptions of the toilet being flushed, so it was a faked result anyway. She could have just said the faecal sample yielded no usable DNA and left it at that. Probably the prosecution would have said it was Amanda Knox's and part of her staging - after all the Chavs all testified she didn't flush the toilet.

The bra strap was a recollect because she didn't like the first result - a totally optional result from Stefanoni.

The Y profile on the oral swab or vaginal swab was another entirely optional result. It was partially to justify suppressing the rape kit results. There were plenty of other y profiles that should have been tested - all those footprints for one thing, the bathmat, the face and neck, the bloody palm print, the fingers on the wall.

That leaves the handbag and the sleeve - two stray profiles from a male friend she probably had contact with during the day. Of no more significance than those on the bra clasp.

The pivot point was the palm print, if it had been smeared it would have been just down to Knox and Sollecito once Lumumba's alibi couldn't be broken.

and the Arias case is important, why?


Bill Williams was expressing certainty of her guilt. I just pointed out he would have been just as certain of Amanda Knox's without knowledge of Rudy Guede.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby LondonJohn » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:35 pm

Clive Wismayer wrote:
LondonJohn wrote:Wow. An extraordinary personal attack on erasmus44 on .net from failed book reviewer Hugo B, most of which has absolutely nothing to do with erasmus' position on the Kercher case but instead seeks to insinuate that he bought his way out of Vietnam service and other similar slurs. And Hugo B has the grotesque chutzpah and irony to write "I don't pay as much attention to Them as They pay to the rest of us".......

Nice work, Hugo! Perhaps try looking inwards a little before launching such nasty, bitter attacks on others, eh? What a unpleasant, squalid little man you are.

Im amazed anyone outside the dwindling band of saddos still reads over there. Is Zorba still posting? And Capealladin? So weird.



I've looked over there a few times recently to see what they're being fed in terms of documentation, and what kinds of cosy offline chats they're having with the likes of Mignini or Maresca. And on top of that, I do find it fascinating from a psychological/psychiatric perspective to observe what's happening among this strange, damaged group of people. But no, I certainly don't go there to look for opinion or to follow the case per se. I wonder what's going on behind the curtain of .org as well!
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Postby LondonJohn » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:37 pm

His Grey Eminence wrote:
So you are assuming that Dottoressa Stefanoni wouldn't be above hiding results pointing to Guede if it had suited her or a certain Pubblico Ministero?
It could have worked that way if they hadn't leaked to the press that there was a quarto uomo as early as November 9th...


I believe it was the palm print that they knew neither Knox, Sollecito or Lumbumba would admit to, so they needed a fourth person. That probably was the pivot point. Had that palm print been smeared, then there would have been no Rudy Guede and Amanda Knox would have served 20 years + in prison

Given the above, not really, even if we assume that Dottoressa Stefanoni would have been able to erase Guede and his DNA from the record (are you assuming that there would be a reason for this?)


Meh - she had no difficulty not testing the sperm sample.

The toilet paper - both Knox and Sollecito gave crystal clear descriptions of the toilet being flushed, so it was a faked result anyway. She could have just said the faecal sample yielded no usable DNA and left it at that. Probably the prosecution would have said it was Amanda Knox's and part of her staging - after all the Chavs all testified she didn't flush the toilet.

The bra strap was a recollect because she didn't like the first result - a totally optional result from Stefanoni.

The Y profile on the oral swab or vaginal swab was another entirely optional result. It was partially to justify suppressing the rape kit results. There were plenty of other y profiles that should have been tested - all those footprints for one thing, the bathmat, the face and neck, the bloody palm print, the fingers on the wall.

That leaves the handbag and the sleeve - two stray profiles from a male friend she probably had contact with during the day. Of no more significance than those on the bra clasp.

The pivot point was the palm print, if it had been smeared it would have been just down to Knox and Sollecito once Lumumba's alibi couldn't be broken.

and the Arias case is important, why?


Bill Williams was expressing certainty of her guilt. I just pointed out he would have been just as certain of Amanda Knox's without knowledge of Rudy Guede.
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Huge thread drift.

Can you (and those responding to you) take this case-related discussion back over to the main "Amanda Knox Case Public Discussion Forum 2-8-2011" thread please?
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:50 pm

Hans wrote:
His Grey Eminence wrote:That is what you would have said about Amanda Knox if Stefanoni had not collected or reported the 5 or so profiles that belonged to Rudy Guede - and she seems quite skilled at not finding things she doesn't want to.

Now this is interesting, ok let's play:
So you are assuming that Dottoressa Stefanoni wouldn't be above hiding results pointing to Guede if it had suited her or a certain Pubblico Ministero?
It could have worked that way if they hadn't leaked to the press that there was a quarto uomo as early as November 9th...
His Grey Eminence wrote:[...]
But it's a fact, without Rudy Guede you are left with a student that says she was at the murder scene and accuses her employer and then is found with knife with the victim's DNA in her kitchen drawer.

Given the above, not really, even if we assume that Dottoressa Stefanoni would have been able to erase Guede and his DNA from the record (are you assuming that there would be a reason for this?), we are still left with a "she said - they said" situation when it comes to her "confession of being there" and Lumumba. (There has been another ruling on that one recently, aquitting Miss Knox on a 530.1 basis...) and we are still left with Dottoressa Stefanoni either lying about the DNA on the knife you are so fond of (a few hundred picograms) and falsifying court documents (Real-Time PCR vs Qubit Fluorimeter), or being completely incompetent for allowing that last mistake into the court records....

His Grey Eminence wrote:Amanda Knox is just Jodi Arias with added black guy.
His Grey Eminence wrote:Its far a stronger case than that against Jodi Arias.

...and the Arias case is important, why?

His Grey Eminence wrote:And the Italians treated Amanda Knox with kid gloves compared with the Americans and Jodi Arias. No nonsense about no questioning without a lawyer present there.

See my comment above about the recent ruling...
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Postby ScifiTom » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:53 pm

Clive Wismayer wrote:I believe about OJ what they believe about A & R but im not angry. For the most part, they are of a mentally unhealthy disposition in general.


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Hey Clive they might be mental Ill or unhealthy. But to me, they are more of being hurt of losing a love one!!!
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To everyone

Hey everyone, I am going to bring Tom G. post here today of why he so smart of explaining every detail of how HGE act like a black crow!!!

Reading one of HGE’s posts is like being taken hand in hand along some muddy well worn path with all too familiar scenery beside a toxic polluted river during a miserable raining winters day, to walk (with immense patience) a couple of miles for his benefit. On reaching his destination he lifts a pile of rotting timber only to show you a dead rat, some wriggly worms and scuttling wood lice. On brief inspection you sigh and embark on the return journey with HGE skipping and scampering in front of you splashing in puddles while looking down at the murky results, lifting rocks to inspect other insect life then heaving the rocks into the river to make the biggest splash ever.

The rain is heavier now, the sky is overcast and foreboding, you lose sight of HGE for a few moments. During this time you gravitate to your darkest thoughts hoping that he has succumbed to some sort of macabre fatal misadventure in the stinking yielding clay that caresses the course of the river. You surface from your contemptuous reverie however on hearing HGE’s voice “Hey! Come and look at this”, you see his outstretched hand again. A solitary black crow flies overhead to land and perch on a skeletal leafless tree close by only to caw in ridicule. And so it goes…

Hoots!


What Tom G, said is very true and it shows this way into an important lesion of how HGE act and I prove this message to you all and I will be gone tonight, and I will return tomorrow morning and goodnight everyone!!!
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Postby Hans » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:15 pm

His Grey Eminence wrote:
Hans wrote:So you are assuming that Dottoressa Stefanoni wouldn't be above hiding results pointing to Guede if it had suited her or a certain Pubblico Ministero?
It could have worked that way if they hadn't leaked to the press that there was a quarto uomo as early as November 9th...

I believe it was the palm print that they knew neither Knox, Sollecito or Lumbumba would admit to, so they needed a fourth person. That probably was the pivot point. Had that palm print been smeared, then there would have been no Rudy Guede and Amanda Knox would have served 20 years + in prison

Not really an answer to my question, so what's your scenario?
Mignini and Stefanoni working together on framing Lumumba, Sollecito and Knox, failing because they were only able to get Stefanoni to hide the DNA related to Guede but failed to get the fingerprint department in line? Really?

His Grey Eminence wrote:
Hans wrote:Given the above, not really, even if we assume that Dottoressa Stefanoni would have been able to erase Guede and his DNA from the record (are you assuming that there would be a reason for this?)

Meh - she had no difficulty not testing the sperm sample.

The toilet paper - both Knox and Sollecito gave crystal clear descriptions of the toilet being flushed, so it was a faked result anyway. She could have just said the faecal sample yielded no usable DNA and left it at that. Probably the prosecution would have said it was Amanda Knox's and part of her staging - after all the Chavs all testified she didn't flush the toilet.

The bra strap was a recollect because she didn't like the first result - a totally optional result from Stefanoni.

The Y profile on the oral swab or vaginal swab was another entirely optional result. It was partially to justify suppressing the rape kit results. There were plenty of other y profiles that should have been tested - all those footprints for one thing, the bathmat, the face and neck, the bloody palm print, the fingers on the wall.

That leaves the handbag and the sleeve - two stray profiles from a male friend she probably had contact with during the day. Of no more significance than those on the bra clasp.

The pivot point was the palm print, if it had been smeared it would have been just down to Knox and Sollecito once Lumumba's alibi couldn't be broken.

Yes, Dottoressa Stefanoni did quite a few things, a neutral, unbiased observer would question... Are you suggesting that she was somewhat biased and/or guided in the way she did her job in this case?
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Hans » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:33 pm

ScifiTom wrote:To Hans

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Well done Hans, even I do too want to play along to teach HGE some lesion and he never wanted to play along. It like he afraid of me!!!

Hi Tom,
thank you, but I think this is not about "teaching lessons", well some people might think it is, it is about the truth and what can be confirmed as being the truth, not that ever shifting concept of "judicial truth".

Hey, am I answering to your 4.000th post? If yes, congratulations and a big "Thank You",
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Clive Wismayer » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:34 pm

ScifiTom wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:I believe about OJ what they believe about A & R but im not angry. For the most part, they are of a mentally unhealthy disposition in general.


To Clive

Hey Clive they might be mental Ill or unhealthy. But to me, they are more of being hurt of losing a love one!!!

Maybe that. It sure must be something though.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby erasmus44 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:02 pm

Clive Wismayer wrote:
ScifiTom wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:I believe about OJ what they believe about A & R but im not angry. For the most part, they are of a mentally unhealthy disposition in general.


To Clive

Hey Clive they might be mental Ill or unhealthy. But to me, they are more of being hurt of losing a love one!!!

Maybe that. It sure must be something though.



I think that we have to recognize that this case produced something akin to what Kling and Haidt have described as "ideological tribalism." We became one tribe and the guilters became another. The clashes got nastier and nastier and it became harder and harder to associate anything positive with the opposing tribe. The guilters very quickly censored all opposing opinion on their forums putting themselves in an echo chamber. We have wisely determined not to do that. The losing tribe not surprisingly complains "We were robbed" and seeks to take out its anger on the opposing tribe. I am sure that there is a graduate student in sociology or psychology who is at this very minute writing a thesis on this topic and that he or she will dine out on it for an entire professional career.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby His Grey Eminence » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:42 pm

Mignini and Stefanoni working together on framing Lumumba, Sollecito and Knox, failing because they were only able to get Stefanoni to hide the DNA related to Guede but failed to get the fingerprint department in line? Really?


Well they did get the fingerprint department in line because that palmprint matches Rudy Guede's palm to the same extent as I look like the Mona Lisa.

It wasn't a question of getting the fingerprint in line as getting the defence lawyer in line. Knox, Sollecito and Lumumba were in prison and relatively safe from 'Ndrangheta menaces. So the screws were put on Rudy Guede and he was saddled with an incompetent fat lying slob of an Italian lawyer.

The only other option would have been to destroy the pillow case and any photos of it, because the moment the lawyers for the other 3 inspected it, they would have said "AHA! This doesn't belong to my client - he/she is totally innocent. The culprit is the person who left this palm print."

Was destroying it an option? It is difficult on the outside to say. As I warned Numbers, explanations that involve the police being one giant monolith of corruption aren't very powerful.

The difference is fingerprint comparisons are to some extent contestable, DNA work is largely not - particularly when you are highly selective about what you test, rerun any results that you don't like and suppress anything inconvenient. Without the palm print I don't believe Guede would have entered this story.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:46 pm

erasmus44 wrote:
I think that we have to recognize that this case produced something akin to what Kling and Haidt have described as "ideological tribalism." We became one tribe and the guilters became another. The clashes got nastier and nastier and it became harder and harder to associate anything positive with the opposing tribe. The guilters very quickly censored all opposing opinion on their forums putting themselves in an echo chamber. We have wisely determined not to do that. The losing tribe not surprisingly complains "We were robbed" and seeks to take out its anger on the opposing tribe. I am sure that there is a graduate student in sociology or psychology who is at this very minute writing a thesis on this topic and that he or she will dine out on it for an entire professional career.

This is a far better explanation than assigning mental illness to the PGP.

I am aware of a sociologist and a reporter for a major paper who tried to do as you suggest. Both of them located PGP who mainly refused to talk to them.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:51 pm

His Grey Eminence wrote:The difference is fingerprint comparisons are to some extent contestable, DNA work is largely not - particularly when you are highly selective about what you test, rerun any results that you don't like and suppress anything inconvenient. Without the palm print I don't believe Guede would have entered this story.

What a load of nonsense. Guede's Dna was found in the victim.

Your posts are run-on, nonsensical stream of conciousness.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Clive Wismayer » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:46 am

erasmus44 wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:
ScifiTom wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:I believe about OJ what they believe about A & R but im not angry. For the most part, they are of a mentally unhealthy disposition in general.


To Clive

Hey Clive they might be mental Ill or unhealthy. But to me, they are more of being hurt of losing a love one!!!

Maybe that. It sure must be something though.



I think that we have to recognize that this case produced something akin to what Kling and Haidt have described as "ideological tribalism." We became one tribe and the guilters became another. The clashes got nastier and nastier and it became harder and harder to associate anything positive with the opposing tribe. The guilters very quickly censored all opposing opinion on their forums putting themselves in an echo chamber. We have wisely determined not to do that. The losing tribe not surprisingly complains "We were robbed" and seeks to take out its anger on the opposing tribe. I am sure that there is a graduate student in sociology or psychology who is at this very minute writing a thesis on this topic and that he or she will dine out on it for an entire professional career.

This has already been done by Dr Lieve Gies of Leicester University and I have linked it here before. Their tribe does not come out of it well. Whatever Bill says, I say they (for the most part) are nuts, creeps and weirdos and that we (for the most part) are not.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby His Grey Eminence » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:08 am


This has already been done by Dr Lieve Gies of Leicester University and I have linked it here before. Their tribe does not come out of it well. Whatever Bill says, I say they (for the most part) are nuts, creeps and weirdos and that we (for the most part) are not.


The phrase that came to my mind as I watched FOA and PMF painfully battle out forensics and science in relation to this case was: Two bald men fighting over a comb.

You both are fairly similar in terms of cognitive blind spots. PMF rise into a hysteria whenever Knox and Sollecito gain a victory, FOA rise in hysteria whenever the Italian courts knocked back their woeful defense.

Knox and Sollecito could just have easily have lost in March 2015 and then the media coverage would have been along these lines
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/674 ... cial-media

'It was like a big whodunit, and I like puzzles," said Edward McCall, the online alias of the founder of the Murder of Meredith Kercher wiki, one of among a dozen mostly U.S.-based sites on both sides actively monitoring the case. McCall, who says the site is close to achieving its goal of posting translations of all court documents and transcripts, asked not to use his real name to protect himself and family members from harassment.


Be happy that Knox and Sollecito have their freedom, but don't forget how easily the tables could have turned.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:47 am

Clive Wismayer wrote:
erasmus44 wrote:I think that we have to recognize that this case produced something akin to what Kling and Haidt have described as "ideological tribalism." We became one tribe and the guilters became another. The clashes got nastier and nastier and it became harder and harder to associate anything positive with the opposing tribe. The guilters very quickly censored all opposing opinion on their forums putting themselves in an echo chamber. We have wisely determined not to do that. The losing tribe not surprisingly complains "We were robbed" and seeks to take out its anger on the opposing tribe. I am sure that there is a graduate student in sociology or psychology who is at this very minute writing a thesis on this topic and that he or she will dine out on it for an entire professional career.

This has already been done by Dr Lieve Gies of Leicester University and I have linked it here before. Their tribe does not come out of it well. Whatever Bill says, I say they (for the most part) are nuts, creeps and weirdos and that we (for the most part) are not.

Their "tribe" does not come out very well in Gies study - and neither did they with the journalist who tried to cover both these "tribes" in the lead-up to the March 2015 decision - not because of psychological factors. At some point it's just not helpful to call someone a weirdo just because they're doing what happens in countless comments-sections of on-line newsmedia: trolling. "Trolling" in the technical sense.

Erasmus44 is on to something that applies to both "sides"..... nastiness itself tends to create the boundaries of a tribe, and it's when most of the rhetorical energy goes into defending the boundary that one gets an indication that the conversation has moved well beyond anything useful.

Besides, when the journalist in question describes the other side as completely nuts and insane, he was asked by one of "our tribe" if we did not also appear that way to a third party. He said smiling, "Yes, but at least you know it."
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:09 am

Hans wrote:
ScifiTom wrote:To Hans

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Well done Hans, even I do too want to play along to teach HGE some lesion and he never wanted to play along. It like he afraid of me!!!

Hi Tom,
thank you, but I think this is not about "teaching lessons", well some people might think it is, it is about the truth and what can be confirmed as being the truth, not that ever shifting concept of "judicial truth".

Hey, am I answering to your 4.000th post? If yes, congratulations and a big "Thank You",
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Thanks Hans for the congratulation of 4.000 and now I am 4,001 and some more even I never counted it, until it dawn on me. So it is a celebration!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Clive Wismayer » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:04 pm

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erasmus44 wrote:I think that we have to recognize that this case produced something akin to what Kling and Haidt have described as "ideological tribalism." We became one tribe and the guilters became another. The clashes got nastier and nastier and it became harder and harder to associate anything positive with the opposing tribe. The guilters very quickly censored all opposing opinion on their forums putting themselves in an echo chamber. We have wisely determined not to do that. The losing tribe not surprisingly complains "We were robbed" and seeks to take out its anger on the opposing tribe. I am sure that there is a graduate student in sociology or psychology who is at this very minute writing a thesis on this topic and that he or she will dine out on it for an entire professional career.

This has already been done by Dr Lieve Gies of Leicester University and I have linked it here before. Their tribe does not come out of it well. Whatever Bill says, I say they (for the most part) are nuts, creeps and weirdos and that we (for the most part) are not.

Their "tribe" does not come out very well in Gies study - and neither did they with the journalist who tried to cover both these "tribes" in the lead-up to the March 2015 decision - not because of psychological factors. At some point it's just not helpful to call someone a weirdo just because they're doing what happens in countless comments-sections of on-line newsmedia: trolling. "Trolling" in the technical sense.

Erasmus44 is on to something that applies to both "sides"..... nastiness itself tends to create the boundaries of a tribe, and it's when most of the rhetorical energy goes into defending the boundary that one gets an indication that the conversation has moved well beyond anything useful.

Besides, when the journalist in question describes the other side as completely nuts and insane, he was asked by one of "our tribe" if we did not also appear that way to a third party. He said smiling, "Yes, but at least you know it."

It is a subject of supreme unimportance.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:39 pm

Clive Wismayer wrote:It is a subject of supreme unimportance.

CBC radio had yet another piece this week on on-line behaviour. So, you are perhaps correct that whatever warfare once existed in this case is unimportant, except perhaps to the few who remain and can still get their knickers in a knot....

However, there was a time - well before you or I entered the scene - when the Knox case was into uncharted online territory.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Clive Wismayer » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:27 am

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Clive Wismayer wrote:It is a subject of supreme unimportance.

CBC radio had yet another piece this week on on-line behaviour. So, you are perhaps correct that whatever warfare once existed in this case is unimportant, except perhaps to the few who remain and can still get their knickers in a knot....

However, there was a time - well before you or I entered the scene - when the Knox case was into uncharted online territory.

I am not so sure. In the UK the Jeremy Bamber case (which has a thread here and dates from 1985) has a devoted online following, likewise divided into two camps replete with two forums (called by insiders 'the red forum' and 'the blue forum'). I forget which is which but an interesting thing has happened on the pro-innocence forum - most of the posters have gradually turned pro-guilt over the years. I don't see that happening here somehow. Another difference is that both forums are reasonably tolerant of the opposing viewpoint. But then, they're Brits and we all know how reasonable we Brits are.

Or perhaps not - there is at least one, possibly more for all I know, forum devoted to the outlandish idea that Madeleine McCann (a toddler) was murdered by her parents while on holiday on the Algrave, rather than abducted by a pedophile (the vastly more likely explanation). These people are mad as rocks and one of them (a retired solicitor of all things) has even faced ruin after being sued for libel and injuncted by the parents in a crushing demo of what can happen if you stick your chin out too far. How richly some of the idiots 'over there' deserve such a fate.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Annella » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:45 am

Clive Wismayer wrote:
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Clive Wismayer wrote:It is a subject of supreme unimportance.

CBC radio had yet another piece this week on on-line behaviour. So, you are perhaps correct that whatever warfare once existed in this case is unimportant, except perhaps to the few who remain and can still get their knickers in a knot....

However, there was a time - well before you or I entered the scene - when the Knox case was into uncharted online territory.

I am not so sure. In the UK the Jeremy Bamber case (which has a thread here and dates from 1985) has a devoted online following, likewise divided into two camps replete with two forums (called by insiders 'the red forum' and 'the blue forum'). I forget which is which but an interesting thing has happened on the pro-innocence forum - most of the posters have gradually turned pro-guilt over the years. I don't see that happening here somehow. Another difference is that both forums are reasonably tolerant of the opposing viewpoint. But then, they're Brits and we all know how reasonable we Brits are.

Or perhaps not - there is at least one, possibly more for all I know, forum devoted to the outlandish idea that Madeleine McCann (a toddler) was murdered by her parents while on holiday on the Algrave, rather than abducted by a pedophile (the vastly more likely explanation). These people are mad as rocks and one of them (a retired solicitor of all things) has even faced ruin after being sued for libel and injuncted by the parents in a crushing demo of what can happen if you stick your chin out too far. How richly some of the idiots 'over there' deserve such a fate.


Well this particular libel http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... overturned have the Portuguese Court overturning a ruling from last year that this ex detective libeled the McCann's. Seems you can write what you like in Portugal, especially if it is based on what Police/Prosecution have stated. Should we be glad Italy doesn't follow suit? :roll:
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Postby Clive Wismayer » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:53 am

Annella wrote:
Well this particular libel http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... overturned have the Portuguese Court overturning a ruling from last year that this ex detective libeled the McCann's. Seems you can write what you like in Portugal, especially if it is based on what Police/Prosecution have stated. Should we be glad Italy doesn't follow suit? :roll:

I saw that. Depressing business. Our laws are not so tolerant (rightly or wrongly).
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:31 am

Clive Wismayer wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:It is a subject of supreme unimportance.

CBC radio had yet another piece this week on on-line behaviour. So, you are perhaps correct that whatever warfare once existed in this case is unimportant, except perhaps to the few who remain and can still get their knickers in a knot....

However, there was a time - well before you or I entered the scene - when the Knox case was into uncharted online territory.

I am not so sure. In the UK the Jeremy Bamber case (which has a thread here and dates from 1985) has a devoted online following, likewise divided into two camps replete with two forums (called by insiders 'the red forum' and 'the blue forum'). I forget which is which but an interesting thing has happened on the pro-innocence forum - most of the posters have gradually turned pro-guilt over the years. I don't see that happening here somehow. Another difference is that both forums are reasonably tolerant of the opposing viewpoint. But then, they're Brits and we all know how reasonable we Brits are.

Or perhaps not - there is at least one, possibly more for all I know, forum devoted to the outlandish idea that Madeleine McCann (a toddler) was murdered by her parents while on holiday on the Algrave, rather than abducted by a pedophile (the vastly more likely explanation). These people are mad as rocks and one of them (a retired solicitor of all things) has even faced ruin after being sued for libel and injuncted by the parents in a crushing demo of what can happen if you stick your chin out too far. How richly some of the idiots 'over there' deserve such a fate.

Not sure what to say. (Perhaps I am wrong..... was bound to happen eventually.)

But the subject of supreme unimportance is that there are at least two professional, albeit still anecdotal, inquiries into the two tribes which developed on-line following the horrid 2007 murder in Perugia. Both these professionals found reason to think of both the tribes as nuts; yet went on to note, "at least your side knows it". Added to this was (reported by them) the individuals in the other tribe headed for the hills; save for the other phenomena......

........ any of the other professionals who dared take a third party, arms-length look at the nuts and bolts of the case itself and concluded innocence, were themselves targeted and berated on line; including nasty e-mails and occasional (albe-they rare) interventions with the professional's employer.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby LondonJohn » Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:29 am

Clive Wismayer wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:Or perhaps not - there is at least one, possibly more for all I know, forum devoted to the outlandish idea that Madeleine McCann (a toddler) was murdered by her parents while on holiday on the Algrave, rather than abducted by a pedophile (the vastly more likely explanation). These people are mad as rocks and one of them (a retired solicitor of all things) has even faced ruin after being sued for libel and injuncted by the parents in a crushing demo of what can happen if you stick your chin out too far. How richly some of the idiots 'over there' deserve such a fate.



And guess which side of the McCann debate The New Messiah/Ergon promotes enthusiastically? Yup, he's of the belief that the McCanns murdered their daughter and took steps to cover it up. It certainly gives an interesting and illuminating insight into Ergon's character and his (in)ability to analyse criminal cases with objective, rational, critical thinking skills.

(FWIW, I think the most likely scenario for the McCann case is that it was a simple burglary job - probably by two burglars - which went horribly wrong when Madeleine woke up in response to the noise of the burglar(s) and started screaming. I think that the burglar(s) were initially trying to silence Madeleine in order to escape discovery, but that something then evolved - possibly fuelled by pent up sexual lust - which culminated in her death. The burglar(s) first tried to hide Madeleine's body within the apartment, but then thought better of it and removed the body from the apartment. I suspect her body was either dumped a mile or two out to sea or taken many miles away and dumped in a shallow grave in shrubland. I think that the idea of a paedophile (shame on you for using the US spelling Clive!) prowling round looking for victims is improbable - I think it's far more likely that the apartment complex was an attractive proposition for burglars, who would know that reasonably wealthy foreign tourists were letting their guard down on holiday, having too much to drink, and neglecting proper security of their valuables. And if I'm anywhere near to being accurate on the scenario, it would of course throw up very interesting parallels with the Kercher case: a simple burglary which went wrong when the burglar(s) was/were disturbed and placed at risk of discovery, and where a potent combination of fear, adrenaline and lust culminated in the murder of a female.)
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Clive Wismayer » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:17 am

LondonJohn wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:Or perhaps not - there is at least one, possibly more for all I know, forum devoted to the outlandish idea that Madeleine McCann (a toddler) was murdered by her parents while on holiday on the Algrave, rather than abducted by a pedophile (the vastly more likely explanation). These people are mad as rocks and one of them (a retired solicitor of all things) has even faced ruin after being sued for libel and injuncted by the parents in a crushing demo of what can happen if you stick your chin out too far. How richly some of the idiots 'over there' deserve such a fate.



And guess which side of the McCann debate The New Messiah/Ergon promotes enthusiastically? Yup, he's of the belief that the McCanns murdered their daughter and took steps to cover it up. It certainly gives an interesting and illuminating insight into Ergon's character and his (in)ability to analyse criminal cases with objective, rational, critical thinking skills.

(FWIW, I think the most likely scenario for the McCann case is that it was a simple burglary job - probably by two burglars - which went horribly wrong when Madeleine woke up in response to the noise of the burglar(s) and started screaming. I think that the burglar(s) were initially trying to silence Madeleine in order to escape discovery, but that something then evolved - possibly fuelled by pent up sexual lust - which culminated in her death. The burglar(s) first tried to hide Madeleine's body within the apartment, but then thought better of it and removed the body from the apartment. I suspect her body was either dumped a mile or two out to sea or taken many miles away and dumped in a shallow grave in shrubland. I think that the idea of a paedophile (shame on you for using the US spelling Clive!) prowling round looking for victims is improbable - I think it's far more likely that the apartment complex was an attractive proposition for burglars, who would know that reasonably wealthy foreign tourists were letting their guard down on holiday, having too much to drink, and neglecting proper security of their valuables. And if I'm anywhere near to being accurate on the scenario, it would of course throw up very interesting parallels with the Kercher case: a simple burglary which went wrong when the burglar(s) was/were disturbed and placed at risk of discovery, and where a potent combination of fear, adrenaline and lust culminated in the murder of a female.)

I don't know the case well enough. Ergon probably figured the whole thing out based on Jupiter's alignment in Mercury.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bill Williams » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:09 am

Clive Wismayer wrote:I don't know the case well enough. Ergon probably figured the whole thing out based on Jupiter's alignment in Mercury.

There's nothing to figure out. I've revealed the secret behind Ergon. I eat grandma's cookies.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:58 am

Clive Wismayer wrote:
LondonJohn wrote:

And guess which side of the McCann debate The New Messiah/Ergon promotes enthusiastically? Yup, he's of the belief that the McCanns murdered their daughter and took steps to cover it up. It certainly gives an interesting and illuminating insight into Ergon's character and his (in)ability to analyse criminal cases with objective, rational, critical thinking skills.

(FWIW, I think the most likely scenario for the McCann case is that it was a simple burglary job - probably by two burglars - which went horribly wrong when Madeleine woke up in response to the noise of the burglar(s) and started screaming. I think that the burglar(s) were initially trying to silence Madeleine in order to escape discovery, but that something then evolved - possibly fuelled by pent up sexual lust - which culminated in her death. The burglar(s) first tried to hide Madeleine's body within the apartment, but then thought better of it and removed the body from the apartment. I suspect her body was either dumped a mile or two out to sea or taken many miles away and dumped in a shallow grave in shrubland. I think that the idea of a paedophile (shame on you for using the US spelling Clive!) prowling round looking for victims is improbable - I think it's far more likely that the apartment complex was an attractive proposition for burglars, who would know that reasonably wealthy foreign tourists were letting their guard down on holiday, having too much to drink, and neglecting proper security of their valuables. And if I'm anywhere near to being accurate on the scenario, it would of course throw up very interesting parallels with the Kercher case: a simple burglary which went wrong when the burglar(s) was/were disturbed and placed at risk of discovery, and where a potent combination of fear, adrenaline and lust culminated in the murder of a female.)


I don't know the case well enough. Ergon probably figured the whole thing out based on Jupiter's alignment in Mercury.


To London & Clive

Hey London I truly think that Ergon is totally dull of not knowing who committed the crime, even it to hard to figure this out. I an't buying Ergon story one bit. I feel bad even everyone feel bad that when a missing child go away. What if it turn out to become a run away, or unknown because. Let not forget Elisabeth Smart. Remember her, she was kidnap and guess what they blame the parents and 9 month later she was found alive and it was a mircle of justice, and then came the most case of all time missing and it was Amanda Berry & Gina Dejesus and it was another 10yrs mircle they found those 2 girls alive and it was something, and now we got another missing in my home state of Amherst MA. Her name is Brianna Lynn Cuoco and she been missing since January 2016, even here is that link right now!!!

http://lostnmissing.org/missing/bcuoco/

Every time I go to the Country trading post market in Chicopee MA. There a picture of her showing and it her and she missing, and this is not a missing case. Know what this is? It about her running away, and it like that book called: Paper Town by John Green and you can read it, even I am going with my guts feeling that she ran away at age 18yrs old even no side of kidnap and I truly believe it! That way!!!

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Clive if I were you. Just go to a church on Friday night aka Knight style at 8pm and pray, because I make a promise one day. I don't go to mass at church. But I will go to a church on Friday night because I only want to read Sunday mass into Friday mass and I read the first story alone by myself and the 2nd story and then the gospel story and then I kneel down and pray to put a circle around my head and a cross of thinking of eating the bread and doing the Father, the son and the holy spirt, and leave the church. It just me, in a way, and even if Ergon like to think he god. He dead wrong, because I have different taste of god is being for a place for my older sister MaryJo who pass away since September 2005 and that is were I stand Clive and I will pray for any girl to be found alive, and talk to you soon Clive!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Francisco » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:39 am

LondonJohn wrote:
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Clive Wismayer wrote:Or perhaps not - there is at least one, possibly more for all I know, forum devoted to the outlandish idea that Madeleine McCann (a toddler) was murdered by her parents while on holiday on the Algrave, rather than abducted by a pedophile (the vastly more likely explanation). These people are mad as rocks and one of them (a retired solicitor of all things) has even faced ruin after being sued for libel and injuncted by the parents in a crushing demo of what can happen if you stick your chin out too far. How richly some of the idiots 'over there' deserve such a fate.



And guess which side of the McCann debate The New Messiah/Ergon promotes enthusiastically? Yup, he's of the belief that the McCanns murdered their daughter and took steps to cover it up. It certainly gives an interesting and illuminating insight into Ergon's character and his (in)ability to analyse criminal cases with objective, rational, critical thinking skills.

(FWIW, I think the most likely scenario for the McCann case is that it was a simple burglary job - probably by two burglars - which went horribly wrong when Madeleine woke up in response to the noise of the burglar(s) and started screaming. I think that the burglar(s) were initially trying to silence Madeleine in order to escape discovery, but that something then evolved - possibly fuelled by pent up sexual lust - which culminated in her death. The burglar(s) first tried to hide Madeleine's body within the apartment, but then thought better of it and removed the body from the apartment. I suspect her body was either dumped a mile or two out to sea or taken many miles away and dumped in a shallow grave in shrubland. I think that the idea of a paedophile (shame on you for using the US spelling Clive!) prowling round looking for victims is improbable - I think it's far more likely that the apartment complex was an attractive proposition for burglars, who would know that reasonably wealthy foreign tourists were letting their guard down on holiday, having too much to drink, and neglecting proper security of their valuables. And if I'm anywhere near to being accurate on the scenario, it would of course throw up very interesting parallels with the Kercher case: a simple burglary which went wrong when the burglar(s) was/were disturbed and placed at risk of discovery, and where a potent combination of fear, adrenaline and lust culminated in the murder of a female.)

LJ, it seems you've gotten Ergon into a bit of a snit over your comment here. Apparently he believes the parents covered up an accidental death and has never said they murdered her, as you claim here. You might want to correct yourself - it's never good to get the Messiah's panties in a twist.

And BTW, are you "obsessed" with Ergon? Has anyone ever been obsessed with Ergon, other than Ergon? To me he's nothing more than an ignorant, obsessive, closed minded narcissist with a nasty tongue. He's kinda fun to read his posts as one of the more prolific delusional guilters, but that's about the extent of his usefulness.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bruce Fischer » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:29 pm

Ergon is quite entertaining. He recently said that a program would not get much attention because it was only going to air on Netflix. Does the man really not have any idea about the numbers Netflix pulls in?

Anyway, look who's left. Ergon, Quennell, and a half dozen lunatics who follow them. Michael has been gone from .net since October I believe. Funny that absolutely no one cares.

Let the few remaining lunatics continue following Ergon. Keeping Ergon busy might help to prevent him from ripping off more families with special needs children, with his offerings of quackery as a cure for their children's conditions.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bruce Fischer » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:36 pm

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Clive Wismayer wrote:I don't know the case well enough. Ergon probably figured the whole thing out based on Jupiter's alignment in Mercury.

There's nothing to figure out. I've revealed the secret behind Ergon. I eat grandma's cookies.


Has Jupiter alligned with Mercury? Damn, I missed it again. I heard that's the best time to buy fresh produce. I guess I'll just have to wait until the next one!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby LondonJohn » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:50 pm

Francisco wrote:LJ, it seems you've gotten Ergon into a bit of a snit over your comment here. Apparently he believes the parents covered up an accidental death and has never said they murdered her, as you claim here. You might want to correct yourself - it's never good to get the Messiah's panties in a twist.

And BTW, are you "obsessed" with Ergon? Has anyone ever been obsessed with Ergon, other than Ergon? To me he's nothing more than an ignorant, obsessive, closed minded narcissist with a nasty tongue. He's kinda fun to read his posts as one of the more prolific delusional guilters, but that's about the extent of his usefulness.


Ahahahaha :D Typical Ergon melodrama to claim I'm "obsessed" with him! (I'm not of course, and there's simply no evidence to support such an assertion). If he wants to look at personal obsessions though, he ought to start in his own back yard and Jackie's weird - not to mention deeply nasty and insulting - obsession with Bill.....

Having said that, I will fully admit to being very intrigued at the sort of delusional psychopathy that leads a person to believe they have divine (or at least supernatural) powers. It's an intrigue that has also gripped the likes of Randi and Derren Brown. I wonder if it is at least in part down to some sort of event or tendency in childhood/adolescence (so many mental health problems have their genesis in this critical period of personality development). And then one has to factor in the obvious lack of self-awareness and lack of intellectual/emotional rigour when self-analysing: by definition, there will never have been any credible, reliable evidence that the person actually does have divine/supernatural powers, yet these people can easily convince themselves otherwise. Of course the reality is that they're engaging in heavy doses of confirmation bias and tunnel vision - they WANT (need?) to find/see evidence of their "special" powers, and at the same time they need to avoid or ignore any evidence to the contrary. There are obvious parallels to the way that pretty much all pro-guilt commentators have "analysed" the Kercher case too, interestingly. And when such people get into the business of using their "powers" to "help" others - these others being almost by definition desperate, vulnerable, gullible and confused - then things really can start to get destructive, deeply damaging and ethically disgusting.

(BTW, the idea that the McCanns "accidentally" caused the death of their daughter then staged an elaborate cover-up (including carrying away and disposing of their dead daughter's body in the sea or in a pit somewhere presumably....) is just as absurd as the idea that Knox and Sollecito participated in the Kercher assault and murder with Guede, and then staged a break-in and selectively cleaned the crime scene. But of course it's no surprise to find that some people believe in both scenarios - nor that some people find it necessary to engage in online campaigns.)
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:44 pm

Bruce Fischer wrote:Ergon is quite entertaining. He recently said that a program would not get much attention because it was only going to air on Netflix. Does the man really not have any idea about the numbers Netflix pulls in?


To Bruce

What, what, what, what, what aka, aka, aka what? Ergon is entertaining. Whoooooooo there no way Ergon is entertaining. I am entertaining of aka Entertainment. Remember I am the man who beat the odds of Peter Quennell. Oh sure Peter your movie: Spotlight won best picture. But who won best money gross. My movie: The Martian and oh let not forget who won best musical of Broadway show. Oh it me. I beat Peter Quennell and I picked Fun Home and who won best musical: Fun Home.


Watch on youtube.com


I told you so and yes again I am going get ready for another victory of Broadway, and I am waiting to see what broadway is going to be nominated tomorrow. Yes everyone Broadway nomination is tomorrow.

I am going to wait until tomorrow and see who get nominated and after that, I will pick the winner once again!!!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby KayPea » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:23 pm

Bruce Fischer wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:I don't know the case well enough. Ergon probably figured the whole thing out based on Jupiter's alignment in Mercury.

There's nothing to figure out. I've revealed the secret behind Ergon. I eat grandma's cookies.


Has Jupiter alligned with Mercury? Damn, I missed it again. I heard that's the best time to buy fresh produce. I guess I'll just have to wait until the next one!


No,no...the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter is aligned with Mars, perffy for a spring mix! You're welcome and enjoy.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby KayPea » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:33 pm

KayPea wrote:
Bruce Fischer wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:I don't know the case well enough. Ergon probably figured the whole thing out based on Jupiter's alignment in Mercury.

There's nothing to figure out. I've revealed the secret behind Ergon. I eat grandma's cookies.


Has Jupiter alligned with Mercury? Damn, I missed it again. I heard that's the best time to buy fresh produce. I guess I'll just have to wait until the next one!


No,no...the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter is aligned with Mars, perffy for a spring mix! You're welcome and enjoy.


Oops! Almost forgot, Antares traveling with Jupiter is also prime time for berries and confectioneries, a natural binary.
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Francisco » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:30 am

KayPea wrote:
Bruce Fischer wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:I don't know the case well enough. Ergon probably figured the whole thing out based on Jupiter's alignment in Mercury.

There's nothing to figure out. I've revealed the secret behind Ergon. I eat grandma's cookies.


Has Jupiter alligned with Mercury? Damn, I missed it again. I heard that's the best time to buy fresh produce. I guess I'll just have to wait until the next one!


No,no...the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter is aligned with Mars, perffy for a spring mix! You're welcome and enjoy.

But if this is true then shouldn't peace be guiding the planets and love steering the stars? And if so, how do you explain the existence of Ergon and the few other nasty cretin's found where Ergon dwells?
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bruce Fischer » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:26 am

ScifiTom wrote:
Bruce Fischer wrote:Ergon is quite entertaining. He recently said that a program would not get much attention because it was only going to air on Netflix. Does the man really not have any idea about the numbers Netflix pulls in?


To Bruce

What, what, what, what, what aka, aka, aka what? Ergon is entertaining. Whoooooooo there no way Ergon is entertaining. I am entertaining of aka Entertainment. Remember I am the man who beat the odds of Peter Quennell. Oh sure Peter your movie: Spotlight won best picture. But who won best money gross. My movie: The Martian and oh let not forget who won best musical of Broadway show. Oh it me. I beat Peter Quennell and I picked Fun Home and who won best musical: Fun Home.


Watch on youtube.com


I told you so and yes again I am going get ready for another victory of Broadway, and I am waiting to see what broadway is going to be nominated tomorrow. Yes everyone Broadway nomination is tomorrow.

I am going to wait until tomorrow and see who get nominated and after that, I will pick the winner once again!!!



Let's see if you can keep your winning streak going!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby Bruce Fischer » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:28 am

KayPea wrote:
KayPea wrote:
Bruce Fischer wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:I don't know the case well enough. Ergon probably figured the whole thing out based on Jupiter's alignment in Mercury.

There's nothing to figure out. I've revealed the secret behind Ergon. I eat grandma's cookies.


Has Jupiter alligned with Mercury? Damn, I missed it again. I heard that's the best time to buy fresh produce. I guess I'll just have to wait until the next one!


No,no...the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter is aligned with Mars, perffy for a spring mix! You're welcome and enjoy.


Oops! Almost forgot, Antares traveling with Jupiter is also prime time for berries and confectioneries, a natural binary.


I really need to get my ducks planets in a row. I'm missing out on all the good deals!
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Re: Today over at PMF

Postby ScifiTom » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:51 am

Bruce Fischer wrote:
ScifiTom wrote:
Bruce Fischer wrote:Ergon is quite entertaining. He recently said that a program would not get much attention because it was only going to air on Netflix. Does the man really not have any idea about the numbers Netflix pulls in?


To Bruce

What, what, what, what, what aka, aka, aka what? Ergon is entertaining. Whoooooooo there no way Ergon is entertaining. I am entertaining of aka Entertainment. Remember I am the man who beat the odds of Peter Quennell. Oh sure Peter your movie: Spotlight won best picture. But who won best money gross. My movie: The Martian and oh let not forget who won best musical of Broadway show. Oh it me. I beat Peter Quennell and I picked Fun Home and who won best musical: Fun Home.


Watch on youtube.com


I told you so and yes again I am going get ready for another victory of Broadway, and I am waiting to see what broadway is going to be nominated tomorrow. Yes everyone Broadway nomination is tomorrow.

I am going to wait until tomorrow and see who get nominated and after that, I will pick the winner once again!!!



Let's see if you can keep your winning streak going!


To Bruce

Well Bruce the nomination is May 3, 2016 and if Peter Quennell is going to announce his pick. I will announce my pick, and as knowing here is the link right now!!!

http://www.tonyawards.com/en_US/broadway/spotlight/

My picks is: American Psycho, Bright Star, On your feet Emilio & Gloria Estefain, School of Rock & Tuck Every lasting.

I have to wait until May 3, 2016 and if one of my nomination get pick, or more. I am going to pick my winner. There is only 5 can be nominated. But those are my top 5 of right now!!!
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