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Postby Sarah » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:06 pm

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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Bruce Fischer » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:32 am

As you may have noticed we recently lost our Injustice Anywhere section of the forum. The section was inadvertently deleted when we were moving a few sections around to update the forum in order to highlight our featured cases along with working to make the forum more user friendly.

Up until now the forum has been hosted by freeforums.org. Freeforums.org has a system recovery tool in place that is supposed to be able to restore the forum to a previous time (similar to system restore on your computer) in order to correct editing errors and other situations that may have caused damage to the forum or caused loss of data. We have purchased several upgrades for the forum and were reasonably confident that we were protected. Unfortunately this situation has brought to our attention the fact that the freeforum.org system recovery tool is not always reliable.

I take full responsibility for not having complete control over properly backing up the forum and I apologize to everyone that dedicated their time to building the threads that were lost. In the next few days the forum will be transferred to a new host which will give us total control over system back ups so we will no longer have to rely on freeforums.org to protect our content.

We have a great group of people here and I am confident we can work together to rebuild what we lost. Sarah added back a few of the topics tonight. Please continue the process of adding topics back to the forum that were lost and lets take this opportunity to spark new conversation.

Injustice Anywhere has aggressive plans for the future, with your help we will continue to grow for years to come. This is a minor setback that can be quickly overcome if we all have patience and work together.
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby RoseMontague » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:30 am

Some of this can be retrieved if you act quickly. Example

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... eforum.com
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Bruce Fischer » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:06 am

RoseMontague wrote:Some of this can be retrieved if you act quickly. Example

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... eforum.com


Thanks Rose. I was searching using the wayback machine and tried the Google cache as well. The wayback machine has a very old copy of the forum long before we added the IA section. I was having issues with Google cache because it will only retrieve the exact page url correct? How did you get that last page of the Sarah Scazzi - Sabrina Misseri page? It appears that you did a search because the names are highlighted.
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Bruce Fischer » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:14 am

Okay so a google search for the topic will bring up links to our missing pages. Unfortunately it is only the last page of conversation but its a good start. We can cut and paste those links into this URL:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://example.com/

If we compile a list of topics we lost I will retrieve everything I can.
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Bruce Fischer » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:17 am

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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Bruce Fischer » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:21 am

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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Teddy » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:50 am

It is actually possible to get the previous pages. For example, I searched for:

sarah scazzi "page 1 of 3" site:injusticeanywhereforum.com

and it gave the 1st page of the Sarah Scazzi thread: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=it

and:

sarah scazzi "page 2 of 3" site:injusticeanywhereforum.com

finds: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=it

It would be a lot of work to find all pages of all threads. I wonder if there's a script somebody could write to do this.
Amanda Knox: "According to Mignini, we found Meredith at the villa and said, Hey, that stupid bitch. Let’s show Meredith. Let’s get her to play a sex game. I was horrified. Who thinks like that?".... indeed, who thinks like that?
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby RoseMontague » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:24 am

Teddy wrote:It is actually possible to get the previous pages. For example, I searched for:

sarah scazzi "page 1 of 3" site:injusticeanywhereforum.com

and it gave the 1st page of the Sarah Scazzi thread: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=it

and:

sarah scazzi "page 2 of 3" site:injusticeanywhereforum.com

finds: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=it

It would be a lot of work to find all pages of all threads. I wonder if there's a script somebody could write to do this.


Excellent, yes. My understanding is that Google cache only "keeps" for a few months.
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Bruce Fischer » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:03 am

Thank you Rose and Teddy!

If we create a list of topics that were lost I will retrieve everything over the weekend. I will then post the entire original conversation at the top of each thread.
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby roteoctober » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:44 pm

There would be this:

http://warrick.cs.odu.edu/

unfortunately at present they are no longer accepting new jobs because they are overloaded, BUT it is possible to download their source code on a Linux machine and compile and use it: I'll try to do that and let you know.
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Bill Williams » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:32 am


Thanks for this, Bruce.

As far as the Vanier case is concerned, the family has chosen not to do the "public protest" thing, as they feel very burned by the media and some internet outlets (not this one, and not Timothy Wilson's). As the Knox/Mellas's know, as the Puracal's know, everyone going through these things have to act in what they believe is their own best interest and the rest of us simply have to take a back seat.

It is very, very impressive thought that you take responsibility for this. It is what sets you apart from the PQs and the PGs of the world, you are willing to be held accountable. On your own board.

If this had happened at some of "those other sites" and anyone had so much as whispered something negative their direction.... you get my drift.

Kudos to you.

But please read Exodus... it clearly states that the 11th Commandment is, "Thou Shalt Back Up."

As for the Vanier case, I may (when I return) do a summary for the new incarnation. Timothy Wilson's blog is the best source, though, and I usually steal with no conscience whatsoever from him.

Seriously - the eye on the prize - Vanier needs to be out of jail.
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Re: Amanda Knox Case Public Discussion Forum 2-8-2011

Postby Bruce Fischer » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:47 pm

Here is some excellent news regarding another case Steve Moore is working on.

Jacob Ostreicher Released on Bail!!
http://gmancasefile.com/1/post/2012/12/jacob-ostreicher-released-on-bail.html
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Re: Amanda Knox Case Public Discussion Forum 2-8-2011

Postby MichaelB » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:45 am

Bruce Fischer wrote:Here is some excellent news regarding another case Steve Moore is working on.

Jacob Ostreicher Released on Bail!!
http://gmancasefile.com/1/post/2012/12/jacob-ostreicher-released-on-bail.html


That's great news.

I bought his book about 6 weeks ago and really liked it.
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Re: Amanda Knox Case Public Discussion Forum 2-8-2011

Postby KayPea » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:48 am

Bruce Fischer wrote:Here is some excellent news regarding another case Steve Moore is working on.

Jacob Ostreicher Released on Bail!!
http://gmancasefile.com/1/post/2012/12/jacob-ostreicher-released-on-bail.html


Prayers answered for dear Jacob and his family, I hope he is home soon!!
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Re: Amanda Knox Case Public Discussion Forum 2-8-2011

Postby Bill Williams » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:14 pm

KayPea wrote:
Bruce Fischer wrote:Here is some excellent news regarding another case Steve Moore is working on.

Jacob Ostreicher Released on Bail!!
http://gmancasefile.com/1/post/2012/12/jacob-ostreicher-released-on-bail.html


Prayers answered for dear Jacob and his family, I hope he is home soon!!

As someone said on FB.... the real champagne-cork popper will be "wheels up."
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Re: Amanda Knox Case Public Discussion Forum 2-8-2011

Postby MichaelB » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:04 pm

Bill Williams wrote:
KayPea wrote:
Bruce Fischer wrote:Here is some excellent news regarding another case Steve Moore is working on.

Jacob Ostreicher Released on Bail!!
http://gmancasefile.com/1/post/2012/12/jacob-ostreicher-released-on-bail.html


Prayers answered for dear Jacob and his family, I hope he is home soon!!

As someone said on FB.... the real champagne-cork popper will be "wheels up."


This is Steve Moore when it's "wheels up"

[youtube]OKp8mYzsQzo[/youtube]
The stupid things Ergon says - THE BEST OF NASEER AHMAD: "Curatolo's testimony is one of the bedrock foundations of my beliefs in this case."
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Sarah » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:53 pm

I hope everyone had a great Christmas! :santa:

New Year's Eve is in just two days now! :happy NY: ::Cheers:: :cheers:

I wish great things for IA for the New Year. We have played a part in help Amanda, Raffaele, Jason and Jacob. I hope the new year will find other wrongfully convicted people finally free. I hope that IA will find a way to contribute the best way possible and although small, be effective and dedicated.

I'm grateful for the amazing people who are part of this forum. To next year, and all we will achieve together!

:champagne:
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby geebee2 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:41 am

I just read about this rather distressing case

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -gang.html

Five killers carried out the 'extraordinarily callous, violent and brutal' murder of a teenager after the sister of one wrongly claimed he had raped her, a court heard today.


I think it shows just how dangerous guilters can be, and highlights the need for courts rather than mob rule.
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby MichaelB » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:40 am

Q&A: The Wrongly Convicted Central Park Five on Their Documentary, Delayed Justice and Why They’re Not Bitter

Read more: http://entertainment.time.com/2013/01/0 ... z2HmBmY6ci
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby MichaelB » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:59 am

The stupid things Ergon says - THE BEST OF NASEER AHMAD: "Curatolo's testimony is one of the bedrock foundations of my beliefs in this case."
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby geebee2 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:52 am

A story of crime and punishment on a tropical island, that I have just read, and greatly enjoyed :

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/11/t ... unishment/
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Re: Amanda Knox Case Public Discussion Forum 2-8-2011

Postby AnimalFriendly » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:30 am

Hi all - just wondering if anybody happened to watch 60 Minutes this past Sunday - the feature on Lewis Taylor, most likely wrongfully incarcerated for 42 years for the murder of 28 people in a Tuscon, Arizona fire at the Pioneer Hotel. I had never heard of this case before and didn't see it discussed anywhere else here - sorry if I missed something. I was just astounded at this story - not the least due to the "face-saving" that is now going on by what would appear to be a pretty corrupt proscutor's office who seems determined for Mr. Taylor to plead "no contest" now to get out of prison and thus never be able to sue for all the decades of his life that were lost. If you go to CBSnews.com and watch the segment, the comments afterwards are interesting too.
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Re: Amanda Knox Case Public Discussion Forum 2-8-2011

Postby Sarah » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:43 pm

AnimalFriendly wrote:Hi all - just wondering if anybody happened to watch 60 Minutes this past Sunday - the feature on Lewis Taylor, most likely wrongfully incarcerated for 42 years for the murder of 28 people in a Tuscon, Arizona fire at the Pioneer Hotel. I had never heard of this case before and didn't see it discussed anywhere else here - sorry if I missed something. I was just astounded at this story - not the least due to the "face-saving" that is now going on by what would appear to be a pretty corrupt proscutor's office who seems determined for Mr. Taylor to plead "no contest" now to get out of prison and thus never be able to sue for all the decades of his life that were lost. If you go to CBSnews.com and watch the segment, the comments afterwards are interesting too.


I didn't see it. Thanks for the tip. Poor man.

I found the link:
60 Minutes
The Pioneer Hotel Fire
March 31, 2013 8:00 PM

Steve Kroft revisits the case of Louis Taylor, a man who may have been falsely accused and imprisoned for setting a fire that claimed 28 lives in Tucson.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50143935n
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Sarah » Thu May 02, 2013 1:38 pm

Martin Yant from The Wrongful Conviction Blog gives Injustice Anywhere a mention here:

"Seattle Weekly tells how the controversial case of Seattle native Amanda Knox opened the eyes of many people for the first time to how justice can go awry. Some of those who rallied to Knox’s defense have moved on to other interests. But others have expanded their advocacy to other cases, such as those highlighted at http://www.injustice-anywhere.org. You can read the story here."

http://wrongfulconvictionsblog.org/2013/05/02/amanda-knox-case-spawns-new-breed-of-activists/
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Sarah » Thu May 02, 2013 1:43 pm

The Butterfly Effect

How the trial of Amanda Knox, half a world away, made a bunch of Americans miserable, spawned a justice league, and maybe started a scientific revolution. Maybe.

Seattle Weekly
By Mark Baumgarten Tue., Apr 30 2013

http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/946708-129/knox-case-says-waterbury-fischer-amanda

* Mark Waturbury and Bruce Fischer featured in this story.
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby acbytesla » Thu May 02, 2013 2:02 pm

Bruce Fischer wrote:Thank you Rose and Teddy!

If we create a list of topics that were lost I will retrieve everything over the weekend. I will then post the entire original conversation at the top of each thread.


I use to work for ADIC in Redmond WA (now Quantum) Specializing in automated computer backup. I did demonstrations all over the country...and I almost always started with a joke Bruce. "There are two kinds of computer users...those who do back ups and those that will!!

It only takes that one occasion where you lose everything to get people to start backing up their system.
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby KayPea » Sat May 04, 2013 11:11 am

A Call To Action, demand Fair Play for innocent people.

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Postby Sarah » Wed May 29, 2013 10:38 am

Be sure to listen to Bruce Fischer and Lori Howard on The Other Side of Justice radio show today! 6 pm EST

"Join us this Wednesday as we welcome two of Jeffrey's supporters to the show Lori Howard and Bruce Fischer. They will be discussing many topics to include the controversy surrounding the medical examiner and what is next for Jeffrey."

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/the-other-side-of-justice/2013/05/29/one-down-one-to-go-jeffrey-havard-part-iii
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Postby Sarah » Thu May 30, 2013 1:27 pm

There are a lot of great links to read posted on the Injustice Anywhere Facebook page.

Check it out when you're looking for something to read:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Injustice-Anywhere/270758032980401
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Postby geebee2 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:57 am

I have my second ground report article up today : http://www.groundreport.com
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Postby geebee2 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:19 pm

Interview with Hans Sherrer:
Watch on youtube.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9YOdyK5llw
who runs http://forejustice.org/db/location/innocents_l.html
which has > 3,600 wrongful convictions listed ( http://forejustice.org/search_idb.htm )
Wow...

Published 15th March, but only 50 views...

"One feature length documentary movie is being produced. It will be shown in theaters, on Netflix, Blockbuster, and other such video places, and the movie will be presented at the Sundance Film Festival and other film festivals. In addition, videos will be produced for each state and for each type of corruption. Everyone interviewed for the film recorded a three-minute segment that will be done as testimony before Congress"
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby geebee2 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:29 pm

What I think is this: the US president should appoint a panel, not of judges, but mainly of people selected for intuitive thinking skills ( retired distinguished scientists ).

They should review cases, and have power to recommend amnesty for cases where appropriate, and the president should then grant amnesty before leaving office.
Simple heuristics should be sufficient : unlikely motive, no criminal record, no history of violence before or after alleged crime.

Something like this operates in many countries I believe.

Besides this, cold cases should be investigated properly, with a Federal level board making sure that standards are followed, again using a panel not of judges but intuitive thinkers, or at least a panel with a balanced selection of each. A referral to the Federal board should be mandatory after any successful appeal. Retrial by the same judge/prosecutor or in the same state should be strictly banned. Juries should be properly protected, with strict anonymity laws ( it should be illegal to approach a juror after trial, any threats to a juror during or after a trial should be ruthlessly prosecuted ).
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Postby geebee2 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:29 am

Some good news:

"A Chicago mother who spent nearly eight years in prison after being wrongfully convicted of her young son's strangling death is finally — and completely — a free woman."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/1 ... lp00000003
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby Sarah » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:35 pm

Bruce Fischer interviewed Ron Hendry tonight on Injustice Anywhere's second blogtalkradio Show:
Single Attacker Theory, a new book by Ron Hendry

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/injustice-anywhere/2013/08/14/single-attacker-theory-a-new-book-by-ron-hendry

How many turned in for the new Injustice Anywhere Radio Show? It was a great show! Bruce is doing a tremendous job. He's a natural at this.

We have an exciting line up of guests coming up. First week was about Jeffery Havard, second Ron Hendry.

Next week's show will have Ryan Ferguson father Bill Ferguson as a guest.
Please think of questions and call in!


We have already have a very strong list of exciting guests coming up. We would also like to eventually have IA members join in on certain days on cases they have been more interested in.

I really want to hand it to Bruce. This Blog Radio show was a great and exciting idea!
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Postby Sarah » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:47 pm

Here is a link to the first Injustice Anywhere blogtalkradio show if anyone missed it:

The Jeffrey Havard Case: Innocent on Death Row

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/injustice-anywhere/2013/08/07/the-jeffrey-havard-case-innocent-on-death-row
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby geebee2 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:26 pm

Citing "miscarriage of justice," U.S. judge overturns Phila. murder conviction
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/break ... ESVomiX.99
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby geebee2 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:00 am

Diane Downs : a possible case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs

Prosecutor adopted child witness.
Not arrested for nine months.
Maintains innocence. I have not looked in any detail.
Just seems fishy to me.
Someone quoted it to me as a "solid case" of someone with no history.
Some history was alleged, it still sounds rum to me.

"Prosecutors argued that Downs shot her children to be free of them so she could continue her affair with Knickerbocker, who let it be known that he did not want children in his life."
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby MichaelB » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:07 am

geebee2 wrote:Diane Downs : a possible case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs

Prosecutor adopted child witness.
Not arrested for nine months.
Maintains innocence. I have not looked in any detail.
Just seems fishy to me.
Someone quoted it to me as a "solid case" of someone with no history.
Some history was alleged, it still sounds rum to me.

"Prosecutors argued that Downs shot her children to be free of them so she could continue her affair with Knickerbocker, who let it be known that he did not want children in his life."


Nope. Not a possible case. Ann Rule wrote a book about it. Diane Downs is another infamous child killer.
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Postby MichaelB » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:55 am

These guys have good cases I check out every now and then.

http://www.centurionministries.org/
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Postby geebee2 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:21 am

Mike
Did you watch the parole hearing? If there was any good evidence, why did it take 9 months to arrest her?
Were there video interviews with the surviving children immediately after the event?
It sounds to me as if the children were turned then coached... to fit the prosecutor's theory. I mean..
I haven't found any details. Something about the car seen driving slowly to hospital, but, well, that's not very good evidence.
Various other dodgy circumstantial evidence, cartridge casings, and the like. Information very thin on the ground.
Not surprising that her account of the crime is very hazy, unlikely she could remember much if innocent.
Smells of prosecutorial misconduct to me.. not urgent, because next parole hearing isn't until 2020!
If she is guilty, why will she not admit it? That seems to be a condition of release.
Existence of book and film only confirms likelihood of miscarriage! Farrah Fawcett, that takes me back!
I guess I could start a thread.
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Re: Injustice Anywhere Main Discussion Thread

Postby MichaelB » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:28 am

They never admit it Geebee. It's always "some other dude did it" or "it was an accident". Their only hope once given LWOP or death is claim innocence till the bitter end hoping for another trial or getting released by some miracle.
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Postby geebee2 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:36 am

Mike : most criminals do actually admit it... it's a bit of a misconception.
For one thing, it's usually best to do a plea deal.
See 4th paragraph here: http://debra-milke.wikispaces.com/Perryville+corruption
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Postby geebee2 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:58 am

Just came across this interesting person, who just posted on his blog re David Camm case:

My interest in forensic pathology began with my Toronto Star investigative reporting into once famed since disgraced former doctor Charles Smith. I began this Blog after retiring from the Star in 2006 in order to follow the aftermath into the independent Goudge inquiry into many of Smith's cases. I have now begun to focus on cases involving flawed pathology and flawed pathologists no matter where they occur (the recent Amanda Knox prosecution in Italy, for example) and am fascinated by the interest in the Blog from people in countries throughout the world. In another development, my interest in "junk science" "pseudo-experts" and the miscarriages of justice they all too often cause has drawn me deeply into the on-going U.S. death penalty debate where so many troubling cases involve issues relating to DNA and other developments in the world of forensic science. For all of this I rely on my experience as a reporter at the Toronto Star, my work as a lawyer in Ontario's criminal courts, and my abhorrence of injustice. Please send cases and developments which may be of interest to this Blog to xx. Read on! Harold Levy.


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Postby MichaelB » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:01 am

I've seen Charlies Smith blog in relation to AK. I just can't remember where or why.
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Postby geebee2 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:29 pm

Very good essay on problems in US justice system:

http://wrongfulconvictionsblog.org/2013 ... ing-fixed/
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Postby geebee2 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:24 am

Interesting article I just came across:

http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/201 ... sting-link
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Postby Clive Wismayer » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:34 am

There was a programme on Channel 5 last night about the Jane Andrews case. She murdered her boyfriend in 2000 after he refused to marry her. I mention it because the similarities with Jodi Arias were very striking. Andrews was extremely jealous of her boyfriends, deeply insecure and needy and took rejection very badly. She battered her boyfriend with a cricket bat as he slept, rendering him defenceless, and then repeatedly stabbed him with a large knife (which makes me wonder whether Jodi's excessive use of the knife was not merely the result of panic but also of rage) and claimed self defence at her trial. She also claimed to be the victim of abuse.

She was not in Jodi's league as a planner, rigging the crime scene in an amateurish manner which fooled nobody and conducting herself before the crime in a manner which immediately drew suspicion (although Jodi, too, was immediately suspected by friends of Travis).

Here's a link to the programme:

http://www.channel5.com/shows/countdown ... -her-lover

Channel 5 is the same one that recently aired the results of its 5 tests in the Perugia case.
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Postby Clive Wismayer » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:29 pm

Hey! What happened to this thread? It's dead!

I am getting into Darlie Routier. This young mother murdered her two young sons in 1996 with a knife then faked an assault on herself, cutting her own throat in the process. She called 911 claiming she and they had just been attacked. Her boys were dying as she made the call while her husband tried to administer CPR to them. She was smart enough to pick up the murder weapon and get her prints on it and she also brilliantly deposited a bloody sock outside the house so it would look just like an intruder committed the crime. She wasn't smart enough to get away with it though and the cops soon figured it all out. Her behaviour afterwards was not appropriate and that plus a few circumstantial points and some expert blood spatter evidence was enough. She was convicted and sentenced to death. As the case was tried in Texas I gather her chances of escaping execution are pretty slim.

Except she may well be innocent. The case does not make any sense at all. The sock was found 75 yards away. She had defensive wounds to her hands and arms that looked just like the real thing. The wound to her neck was so deep it came within a couple of millimetres of killing her.

The blood spatter expert is the same guy as in David Camm's case.
:jaw-dropping: :jaw-dropping: :jaw-dropping:

Bruce, we need an 'alarm bells' emoticon please because this one stinks to high heaven.

Anyone who wants to make this case a featured case here needs to head over to the thread and get involved in the discussion. There is a lot of material to cover. Fortunately, some very knowledgeable people are there already and seem willing to help out. It would be good to kick up a storm on this one and do something about Texas.
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Postby geebee2 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:21 pm

Thanks Clive, a good case summary on Darlie. You have been observed. https://www.facebook.com/groups/3150837 ... 066499617/
What do you think Clive? The thread is dead because I stopped posting due to feelings of loneliness, but thanks for reviving it.
The Darlie Routier thread is viewtopic.php?f=123&t=1638
Texas does have the dubious distinction of executing an obviously innocent woman a few years ago. http://trial-by-media.wikispaces.com/Frances+Newton

You seem to have omitted the main evidence : did Darlie have a criminal record?
How violent was she prior to the murder?
Did she show signs of mental instability or depression?
She murdered her children for the insurance money, is that right?
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Postby Clive Wismayer » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:15 am

geebee2 wrote:Thanks Clive, a good case summary on Darlie. You have been observed. https://www.facebook.com/groups/3150837 ... 066499617/
What do you think Clive? The thread is dead because I stopped posting due to feelings of loneliness, but thanks for reviving it.
The Darlie Routier thread is viewtopic.php?f=123&t=1638
Texas does have the dubious distinction of executing an obviously innocent woman a few years ago. http://trial-by-media.wikispaces.com/Frances+Newton

You seem to have omitted the main evidence : did Darlie have a criminal record?
How violent was she prior to the murder?
Did she show signs of mental instability or depression?
She murdered her children for the insurance money, is that right?

Thanks for the link geebee. I joined the FB group. For me, prior instability, motive etc comes further down the line after understanding the crime scene. I understand the 'motive' not to be financial so much as the product of depression and anxiety.
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Postby geebee2 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:22 pm

Clive Wismayer wrote:
geebee2 wrote:Thanks Clive, a good case summary on Darlie. You have been observed. https://www.facebook.com/groups/3150837 ... 066499617/
What do you think Clive? The thread is dead because I stopped posting due to feelings of loneliness, but thanks for reviving it.
The Darlie Routier thread is viewtopic.php?f=123&t=1638
Texas does have the dubious distinction of executing an obviously innocent woman a few years ago. http://trial-by-media.wikispaces.com/Frances+Newton

You seem to have omitted the main evidence : did Darlie have a criminal record?
How violent was she prior to the murder?
Did she show signs of mental instability or depression?
She murdered her children for the insurance money, is that right?

Thanks for the link geebee. I joined the FB group. For me, prior instability, motive etc comes further down the line after understanding the crime scene. I understand the 'motive' not to be financial so much as the product of depression and anxiety.


If it was depression, she would not have done a brilliant crime scene cover-up, and would have killed herself or confessed within a week....

I guess we approach cases from different angles... I adhere to the leakage principle.
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Postby Clive Wismayer » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:26 pm

geebee2 wrote:
Clive Wismayer wrote:
geebee2 wrote:Thanks Clive, a good case summary on Darlie. You have been observed. https://www.facebook.com/groups/3150837 ... 066499617/
What do you think Clive? The thread is dead because I stopped posting due to feelings of loneliness, but thanks for reviving it.
The Darlie Routier thread is viewtopic.php?f=123&t=1638
Texas does have the dubious distinction of executing an obviously innocent woman a few years ago. http://trial-by-media.wikispaces.com/Frances+Newton

You seem to have omitted the main evidence : did Darlie have a criminal record?
How violent was she prior to the murder?
Did she show signs of mental instability or depression?
She murdered her children for the insurance money, is that right?

Thanks for the link geebee. I joined the FB group. For me, prior instability, motive etc comes further down the line after understanding the crime scene. I understand the 'motive' not to be financial so much as the product of depression and anxiety.


If it was depression, she would not have done a brilliant crime scene cover-up, and would have killed herself or confessed within a week....

I guess we approach cases from different angles... I adhere to the leakage principle.

Leakage is dandy but crime scene comes first :mrgreen:
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Postby MichaelB » Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:32 pm

Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter, boxer wrongly convicted of murder, dies

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/20/us/ru ... rter-obit/

Was he innocent? I have doubts about that.
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Postby Sarah » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:54 pm

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/injustice-anywhere/2014/06/04/the-shaken-baby-syndrome-debate-is-sbs-junk-science-1


The Shaken Baby Syndrome Debate: Is SBS Junk Science?

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This week we will be discussing the debate surrounding Shaken Baby Syndrome (SBS), with our guests Audrey Edmunds and Attorney Jen Fitzgerald. New scientific evidence has come to light in recent years challenging the validity of SBS, calling into question thousands of convictions that may have been secured on flawed science.

Audrey Edmunds was wrongfully convicted in 1996 of reckless homicide for the shaking death of Natalie Beard, a 7-month-old infant she was watching while doing home daycare. Audrey was sentenced to 18 years in prison.

In 2006 the Wisconsin Innocence Project, took on Audrey’s case. New scientific evidence was emerging that was not available at the time of Audrey’s trial that supported her innocence.

In January of 2008, the Wisconsin Court of Appeals ruled that "a shift in mainstream medical opinion" had cast doubt on whether shaking could have caused the brain injury that caused Natalie Beard's death, leading the court to order a new trial. The District Attorney's office dropped the case, freeing Audrey after serving 11 years in prison for a crime she did not commit.
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Postby Bruce Fischer » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:55 pm

Injustice Anywhere will air new radio shows beginning in August. Please let us know if you have any requests for show topics. You can post requests or suggestions right here on the forum or send us an email: injusticeanywhere@yahoo.com

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Postby TruthMatters » Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:45 am

Bruce Fischer wrote:Injustice Anywhere will air new radio shows beginning in August. Please let us know if you have any requests for show topics. You can post requests or suggestions right here on the forum or send us an email: injusticeanywhere@yahoo.com

http://www.injustice-anywhere.org/InjusticeAnywhereRadioArchive.html



I would love for a show that discusses the medias role in wrongful convictions. The media is too quick to spread misinformation and blatant lies in an attempt to post the news first and to get the most exposure. The help convict people in the court of public opinion, which taints future jury pools as well as helping LE arrest the easiest suspect instead of investigating thoroughly and nailing the real criminals. I would love to hear what can be done to stop the media, how to go about instigating the needed changes, and if the public would truly be accepting of those changes since the general population has such a deep fascination with and need for the vicious rumors.

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Postby Bill Williams » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:18 pm

MichaelB wrote:Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter, boxer wrongly convicted of murder, dies

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/20/us/ru ... rter-obit/

Was he innocent? I have doubts about that.

As for the State of New Jersey, he was "not guilty", because as the federal court found, using wrongful process to convict him was a crime greater than the one for which he was accused. "Judge Haddon Lee Sarokin of the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey granted the writ, noting that the prosecution had been "predicated upon an appeal to racism rather than reason, and concealment rather than disclosure," and set aside the convictions."

So, if he was factually guilty, one will perhaps never know because the State of New Jersey chose to try a black man, rather than a man.

The whole thing ended with the prosecution eventually appealing to the Supreme Court of The United States, which denied leave.

In considering trying him and John Artis a third time, they dropped the charges. So legally speaking, both Carter and Artis are as innocent of this crime as you or me.

Factually, though, the whole thing boiled down to a legal mess about Alfred Bello's testimony and whether or not the cops had made promises to him, so as to "get" such a high profile person as Carter. The defence proved that there had been promises made, yet because of the timing of the use of this "proof", it was ruled as inadmissible and Bello's testimony was allowed to stand. This is the very definition of "convicted on a technicality", rather than the factuality of someone's testimony.

For me, the Carter/Artis convictions are a textbook example of a constructed conviction, one based on corruption of cops/prosecutor rather than the facts of the original crime.
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Happy Thanksgiving Forum!

Hope everyone has a great day. Time to reflect on what we have to be thankful for in our lives.


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Injustice Anywhere Radio update: We will soon be moving from blogtalkradio to Radio 365. The new format will give Injustice Anywhere many more opportunities to expand our message. We will have our own dedicated station running live and recorded content discussing various cases and topics of wrongful convictions. Our online radio station will be available on our website, Live365, iPhone, iPad, Android, Roku, and more. Listening is made easy with iTunes and the free Radio 365 app available at Google play.

This move will provide better sound quality as well. We were able to purchase the needed equipment to make this move thanks to generous donations from our supporters.

We will post updates as they develop. We will be uploading all of our previous shows from blogtalkradio to our new station in the coming weeks. We will also be reaching out to other wrongful conviction organizations to offer them an opportunity to broadcast their message on our station. We look forward to beginning new shows in the near future. This project will be a marathon, not a sprint. We hope to see positive development throughout 2015.

Thank you for your continued support. Stay tuned.
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Injustice Anywhere Radio update: We will soon be moving from blogtalkradio to Radio 365. The new format will give Injustice Anywhere many more opportunities to expand our message. We will have our own dedicated station running live and recorded content discussing various cases and topics of wrongful convictions. Our online radio station will be available on our website, Live365, iPhone, iPad, Android, Roku, and more. Listening is made easy with iTunes and the free Radio 365 app available at Google play.

This move will provide better sound quality as well. We were able to purchase the needed equipment to make this move thanks to generous donations from our supporters.

We will post updates as they develop. We will be uploading all of our previous shows from blogtalkradio to our new station in the coming weeks. We will also be reaching out to other wrongful conviction organizations to offer them an opportunity to broadcast their message on our station. We look forward to beginning new shows in the near future. This project will be a marathon, not a sprint. We hope to see positive development throughout 2015.

Thank you for your continued support. Stay tuned.

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Postby Sarah » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:03 pm

Impressed to see this tweet by Darren Kavinoky. He seems to really get the topic of wrongful convictions.

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New Injustice Anywhere Radio Show: Tues, Apr 28 at 8pm CDT. Update on the Jamie Snow case @freejamiesnow

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Postby arbmahla » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:43 am

I, like many of us, was led to this site by my interest in the Kercher murder case. This case generates intense emotions and I have felt them too. I appreciate and support the mission of fighting against police and judicial abuse. But there are many injustices in the US system that has led to our position of being the country with the highest incarceration rate per capita among major industrialized nations. I believe that this is due to our failed war on drugs. Even corrupt and anti-democratic China has a smaller prison population in spite of having a total population four times larger. Please don't misunderstand. I am not a fan of China. But we must understand that we are hurting ourselves through unquestioned support for failed policies. Am I allowed to discuss political issues or is it considered too off topic? I once got kicked off a forum for expressing political views so I am trying to be careful about stuff like that.
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Postby LarryK » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:07 am

Welcome arbmahla! I generally believe that political issues that are related to the reasons for wrongful convictions, may be freely discussed here. You might want to start a new thread on a particular topic. But don't introduce political issues that you can't relate to wrongful convictions. (I don't have a position of authority in this forum so my word here is only an opinion.)
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Postby arbmahla » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:48 am

Thanks for your response LarryK. I am not ready to start anything new but I appreciate your input. I listened to the radio interview about Jamie Snow and it is amazing and frightening how one's freedom can be taken away based on such weak evidence.
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Postby Niteangel » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:33 am

arbmahla wrote:I, like many of us, was led to this site by my interest in the Kercher murder case. This case generates intense emotions and I have felt them too. I appreciate and support the mission of fighting against police and judicial abuse. But there are many injustices in the US system that has led to our position of being the country with the highest incarceration rate per capita among major industrialized nations. I believe that this is due to our failed war on drugs. Even corrupt and anti-democratic China has a smaller prison population in spite of having a total population four times larger. Please don't misunderstand. I am not a fan of China. But we must understand that we are hurting ourselves through unquestioned support for failed policies. Am I allowed to discuss political issues or is it considered too off topic? I once got kicked off a forum for expressing political views so I am trying to be careful about stuff like that.


I don't believe most of these statistics about incarceration rates, especially statistics from non democratic countries (in fact I think some of these countries rates are complete and utter bs). Also you have to take into account that certain States in the U.S. have a much larger rate of incarceration than others (the U.S. is "special" that way, some laws are also very different from one state to another, and this should be taken into account whenever you look at statistics, but most people don't).
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Postby pmop57 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:10 pm

The incarceration quote in the world is self-speaking
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... ation_rate
Another study from highest to lowest
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... ation_rate

The United States by State (every State like being considered an individual country)
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/global/
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Postby Niteangel » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:49 pm

pmop57 wrote:The incarceration quote in the world is self-speaking
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... ation_rate
Another study from highest to lowest
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... ation_rate

The United States by State (every State like being considered an individual country)
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/global/


No pmop, it isn't. Non democratic countries hide their rates, and people disappear in their prisons.

And as you see rates are very different from one state to another.
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Postby pmop57 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:04 pm

Niteangel wrote:
pmop57 wrote:The incarceration quote in the world is self-speaking
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... ation_rate
Another study from highest to lowest
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... ation_rate

The United States by State (every State like being considered an individual country)
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/global/


No pmop, it isn't. Non democratic countries hide their rates, and people disappear in their prisons.

And as you see rates are very different from one state to another.


But every individual State has still higher than the rate of other countries and not only compared to other democratic countries. For me this is basically a fact, a fact not even much contested by the U.S. Administrations themselves.

As I am not American this for me actually nothing but a take into consideration, the statistics from the UN to US Civil Rights Organisations, all point in the same overall direction. This is of cause not an analyses about the reasons, why this is so, but I am convinced that there are reasons to this and they are probably very multiple and certainly give an insight in the legal conception of the law and related an insight in the conception and social coherence of society. My opinion.
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Postby roteoctober » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:53 pm

But the problem is in the steep and overwhelming rise of inmate population after 1980, as represented in the two graphs on the top right of the Wikipedia article about incarceration in the US:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

Should we think that people decided suddenly to "go criminal" more and more in the US after 1980, or, alternatively that the US ante-1980 were a land of criminals at large?

IMO there is clearly something wrong with the "incarceration policy" (i.e. with the way offenses are sentenced) today in the US.

Besides that, from an European point of view I find US average sentences too tough and more aimed at "throwing away the key" than at rehabilitating the offender.

Surely, this point of view may be perceived as too soft, but I think that ultimately the aim of any society is that of having empty and not overfilled prisons.
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Postby erasmus44 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:45 pm

roteoctober wrote:But the problem is in the steep and overwhelming rise of inmate population after 1980, as represented in the two graphs on the top right of the Wikipedia article about incarceration in the US:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

Should we think that people decided suddenly to "go criminal" more and more in the US after 1980, or, alternatively that the US ante-1980 were a land of criminals at large?

IMO there is clearly something wrong with the "incarceration policy" (i.e. with the way offenses are sentenced) today in the US.

Besides that, from an European point of view I find US average sentences too tough and more aimed at "throwing away the key" than at rehabilitating the offender.

Surely, this point of view may be perceived as too soft, but I think that ultimately the aim of any society is that of having empty and not overfilled prisons.




We have an extremely high incarceration rate - I believe possibly the highest in the world. A higher percentage of African Americans incarcerated here now than Blacks incarcerated in South Africa than at the height of apartheid. I believe also a higher total percentage incarcerated than in some of the countries occupied by the Axis in WW2.
It is partly because we are rich and we can afford it - it costs roughly $40,000 per year (about equal to tuition at Harvard Medical School) to keep a person in prison.
The big reasons are: 1. the "War" on Drugs - which has turned out to be a fiasco, 2. federal mandatory sentencing guidelines (although the federal prison population - while it has grown rapidly - is still a small part of the total), 3. extremely severe state sentencing policies (e.g. California's Three Strikes), 4. absurd overreach of the criminal law so that now we have thousands of crimes and enforcement can become extremely selective, 5. a refusal to consider alternatives (e.g. weekend incarceration, supervised release, etc.).
The problem has become intractable politically because we now have a large private prison industry and we have many rural communities that are economically dependent on nearby prisons as a source of employment.
It is one of many aspects of our criminal "justice" system which is long overdue for reexamination and reform.
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Postby pmop57 » Fri May 01, 2015 2:01 am

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I agree with the elements you list provoking an enormous raise of the incarceration rates.
For me one of the main points is, there have always been attempts in Europe to go a similar way, the State is failing to offer solutions to solve the raising society problems leading to the exclusion of more and more people, poverty, lack of education, lack of participation, lack of social recognition, the drug problems including the procurement crimes. ... . It was and is probably cheaper to invest in private incarceration facilities managed under profit aspects than to invest in jobs, social work and efficient education and inclusion programs (I know that this coming from an European is often already considered as European socialism violating the pre-dominance of the individual person).
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Postby Sarah » Sat May 23, 2015 1:15 am

IA Advisory Board member Jen Fitzgerald has run into a problem, her dog Iggy needs eye surgery to prevent them from being blind.

Jen has donated TONS of time as a pro-bono lawyer for Jeff Havard, Brian Peixoto as well as many others. She needs help now to take care of her dog baby. She would love the help if any are able to offer any.

Iggy needs eye surgery
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Postby geebee2 » Wed May 27, 2015 12:00 am

From an article in the Washington Post yesterday ( May 26, 2015 ) : http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the- ... use-panic/

Here’s an excerpt from the concurring opinion of Judge Cheryl Johnson, who would have declared the couple innocent.

This was a witch hunt from the beginning.

...

That the highest court in Texas still can’t bring itself to declare the couple innocent, in spite of all that we know now, shows just how difficult it can be to undo the damage caused by a moral panic and junk science in the courtroom.


Please see the whole article.

Witch hunts are still with us, and always will be.

Amanda Knox and Debra Milke are free, however Diane Downs, Darlie Routier and Jodi Arias are current examples that show jurors and others are still easily fooled into believing nonsense.
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Postby Bill Williams » Sun May 31, 2015 8:35 am

geebee2 wrote:From an article in the Washington Post yesterday ( May 26, 2015 ) : http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the- ... use-panic/

Here’s an excerpt from the concurring opinion of Judge Cheryl Johnson, who would have declared the couple innocent.

This was a witch hunt from the beginning.

...

That the highest court in Texas still can’t bring itself to declare the couple innocent, in spite of all that we know now, shows just how difficult it can be to undo the damage caused by a moral panic and junk science in the courtroom.


Please see the whole article.

Witch hunts are still with us, and always will be.

Amanda Knox and Debra Milke are free, however Diane Downs, Darlie Routier and Jodi Arias are current examples that show jurors and others are still easily fooled into believing nonsense.

Geebee - please keep comments about Ms. Arias in her thread in this forum. There are very few who believe that what happened to Arias judicially was an injustice. Rather than argue it here, we should return to the thread.

I, for one, find it insulting that Arias's name is included with the others.
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Postby geebee2 » Sun May 31, 2015 1:23 pm

Bill Williams wrote:
geebee2 wrote:From an article in the Washington Post yesterday ( May 26, 2015 ) : http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the- ... use-panic/

Here’s an excerpt from the concurring opinion of Judge Cheryl Johnson, who would have declared the couple innocent.

This was a witch hunt from the beginning.

...

That the highest court in Texas still can’t bring itself to declare the couple innocent, in spite of all that we know now, shows just how difficult it can be to undo the damage caused by a moral panic and junk science in the courtroom.


Please see the whole article.

Witch hunts are still with us, and always will be.

Amanda Knox and Debra Milke are free, however Diane Downs, Darlie Routier and Jodi Arias are current examples that show jurors and others are still easily fooled into believing nonsense.

Geebee - please keep comments about Ms. Arias in her thread in this forum. There are very few who believe that what happened to Arias judicially was an injustice. Rather than argue it here, we should return to the thread.

I, for one, find it insulting that Arias's name is included with the others.


That's not true Bill, there are hundreds if not thousands of Jodi Arias supporters who believe she was wrongly convicted in a witch hunt trial.
For the week ending May 29th, 2015, the appellate fund increased by $5,460 to $68,256.55. In the 5 weeks since April 24th, $14,684 has been raised.
I think few wrongful convictions ( with Amanda Knox being the notable exception ) have generated such outrage, or have raised such large sums of money just weeks after sentencing.
This is a public discussion forum, not as far as I know limited to any one case.
I take considerable exception to your comment, and will continue to advocate for those I know to be wrongly convicted or innocent.
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Postby MatthewBest » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:22 am

I don't really know my way around this forum yet, and I don't know how well the search function works, but is there any mention of the case of Vincent Simmons here at all?

http://www.freevincent.com/synopsis.html
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Postby syncadapter » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:11 pm

After being punched in the face my son grabbed the fist as the second punch was thrown. He was convicted of battery for this action. Facts of the case are not disputed. I don't see pursuing legal action to reverse this decision because nothing would be gained, old wounds would be opened. I am glad to see a forum for those wrongfully convicted.
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Postby KayPea » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:52 am

While the vast majority of the public is aware that innocent people do end up in prison, most of us do not know the path that leads those poor people into such a terrible situation. In their book, Anderson and Scott outline succinctly how and why the most vulnerable amongst us are easily forced into false confessions. But they go beyond the “Reid Technique” and other police tactics used against people that authorities believe “might” be guilty of a crime. It delves into the psychopathy of the personalities drawn to powerful positions within a given police force, or any other form of power over the public, to illustrate that such people truly know how to work the system and see vulnerable people as objects to further their careers. Or even as prey.

The poignant stories of Darlie Router, Stefan Kiszko, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are examples of how police twisted facts to suit their own agendas, utterly ignoring the evidence and cementing that confirmation bias is a real threat to public safety. In each case one or more of the authorizes in charge pushed their “agenda” despite clear evidence to the contrary. These cases are not isolated phenomena and there are thousands of people in prison to prove it, hence the creation and success of entities like the Innocence Project.

The beauty of this book is that it also highlights three cases of wrongful convictions from three countries, the United Kingdom, the United States and Italy, proving that injustice happens everywhere. The sad part is that all three of the countries represented are First World and so we cannot simply blame a corrupt police force on a substandard government.

The reality is that Constitutional Negative Empathy (CNE) exist at all levels and in all walks of life in all societies. CNE is the term coined by the authors to be less “pejorative” toward what we commonly refer to as “psychopaths” and “sociopath” so that the public can sympathize with this illness as we would toward all mental or physical illnesses as something to be recognized, treated and maintained. Just as we do with diabetes, heart disease or schizophrenia.

I highly recommend this book for the public, but I also think that it would greatly benefit those in law enforcement. Each of us are in contact with several CNE’s daily, though we might not recognize them as such, workplace bullying is only one example, so each of us can benefit from the knowledge contained in these pages. But law enforcement authorities would do well to pay close attention to removal, or control, of CNE’s in a position of power for not only the benefit and integrity of a given police force, but also public safety.

Recognition and control of CNE’s could well be a practical start to reducing wrongful convictions everywhere.

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Postby McGirr » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:17 pm

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Postby Samson » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:05 pm

McGirr wrote:https://www.netflix.com/watch/80161356?trackId=13462260&tctx=0%2C0%2C77bb2c01-6da7-4c88-8e4b-fccb2f79df1e-19366917

McGirr, I bumped the Rafay and Burns thread. These documentaries are great for publicity.
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